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re: New state law requires all ticketed events to be taxed- including athletics
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:12 pm to OceanMan
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:12 pm to OceanMan
I know this is polyboard stuff, but I haven't seen anyone address the real problem. La spends more per capita than all the other Southern Southern states in its general proximity. We spend more per person than Florida and Tx. For a State with 4 million people, which has been fairly consistent our budget is over $20 Billion dollars. However, we are consistently the worst or 2nd to worst in all governement run categories.
The structure of our constitution which has been amended over 100 times since 1972 basically doesn't allow for cuts in anything other than higher education and DHH. Also, every dollar has a constituency, so there were no real cuts to the dedicated areas of the budget to offset the shortfall.
Edwards and F. King coming out with the doom and gloom and banruptcy, loss of football, etc is all smoke and mirrors get the average LA voter to not be so upset with raising taxes, but it is amazing that everytime the revenue committee meets the deficit changes and the number is more or less depending on if they didn't get the taxes they wanted.
We need to cut overall and go through every dapartment, starting with zero based budgeting and a Constitutional Convention. The real problem is Edwards and Alario cannot be trusted to do what is best to move LA in the right direction. No one addresses the fact that the legislature has had the same people in it for 40 years. A legislature who Edwards was a part of and Alario has been there since the 1st Edwards.
This State; even with the oil bust has never had a revenue problem. We have a spending problem. How is it that TX and Fl don't have income taxes and if you look at where LA was prior to Edwin Edwards, we had the largest port, fortune 500 companies, oil & gas, and NOLA was bigger than Houston and Atlanta. and probably only smaller than Miami in Fla. 40 years later where are we?
Now we have the largest sales taxes in the country, a majority of our citizens pay no income taxes and the money they pay in consumption is from Federal and State dollars. Edwards has not cut salaries, and has stuck us with the medicaid expansion timebomb.
For those who believe the taxes are going away; how is that possible if we are projecting deficits far past two years. Once Govenrment gets something it almost never goes away, because that money get projected out. Once the structure to collect all this new revenue is in place it will be accounted for; then you will be wanting to know why people will be losing their jobs when it goes away in two years. That will not happen, not with this guy. Next time he will say instead of losing LSU football, we will be potentially killing babies or something.
The structure of our constitution which has been amended over 100 times since 1972 basically doesn't allow for cuts in anything other than higher education and DHH. Also, every dollar has a constituency, so there were no real cuts to the dedicated areas of the budget to offset the shortfall.
Edwards and F. King coming out with the doom and gloom and banruptcy, loss of football, etc is all smoke and mirrors get the average LA voter to not be so upset with raising taxes, but it is amazing that everytime the revenue committee meets the deficit changes and the number is more or less depending on if they didn't get the taxes they wanted.
We need to cut overall and go through every dapartment, starting with zero based budgeting and a Constitutional Convention. The real problem is Edwards and Alario cannot be trusted to do what is best to move LA in the right direction. No one addresses the fact that the legislature has had the same people in it for 40 years. A legislature who Edwards was a part of and Alario has been there since the 1st Edwards.
This State; even with the oil bust has never had a revenue problem. We have a spending problem. How is it that TX and Fl don't have income taxes and if you look at where LA was prior to Edwin Edwards, we had the largest port, fortune 500 companies, oil & gas, and NOLA was bigger than Houston and Atlanta. and probably only smaller than Miami in Fla. 40 years later where are we?
Now we have the largest sales taxes in the country, a majority of our citizens pay no income taxes and the money they pay in consumption is from Federal and State dollars. Edwards has not cut salaries, and has stuck us with the medicaid expansion timebomb.
For those who believe the taxes are going away; how is that possible if we are projecting deficits far past two years. Once Govenrment gets something it almost never goes away, because that money get projected out. Once the structure to collect all this new revenue is in place it will be accounted for; then you will be wanting to know why people will be losing their jobs when it goes away in two years. That will not happen, not with this guy. Next time he will say instead of losing LSU football, we will be potentially killing babies or something.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:13 pm to secfballfan
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Take money from the people so he can redistribute, just like a Democrat,9
Dont be foolish, they all do it. Dems or Repub.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:17 pm to 756
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Looks like it may include concessions as well
Concessions is currently paying sales taxes. The tax is built into the prices.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:19 pm to WhoDat37
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Also, what qualifies as "taxing the crap out of your citizens"?
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Rabble rabble rabble. That's what keeps coming up. I've yet to hear this board propose alternatives that the governor can reasonably do to fix the immediate deficit the state is facing.
Well being that he is the governor shouldn't he be best at coming up with other alternatives? You want me to do my job and his? Increasing taxes is too easy and lazy.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:26 pm to BroPaterno
Again, this was a tax exemption before. And it's only lasting 2 years. Relax.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:26 pm to Mr.Perfect
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Apparently there is not a single penny that can be cut from our budget.
Huge cuts are happening. Just because you refuse to acknowledge them doesn't mean they aren't.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:30 pm to Jester
Clearly a good education, perks of having played for a major college and a chance to make millions is a little more than your little mind can grasp.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:35 pm to OceanMan
I really don't care about the issue. Just felt like responding. This isn't going to affect me one bit since I feel it a civic duty to pay taxes and I'm not against taxes as they are useful in some parts of our society.
Just don't like the abuse of them.
And as far as who's invited to the conversation, it's anyone allowed to post on this site.
Just don't like the abuse of them.
And as far as who's invited to the conversation, it's anyone allowed to post on this site.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:36 pm to tiger94gop
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I know this is polyboard stuff, but I haven't seen anyone address the real problem. La spends more per capita than all the other Southern Southern states in its general proximity. We spend more per person than Florida and Tx. For a State with 4 million people, which has been fairly consistent our budget is over $20 Billion dollars.
This is misleading. The reason the state spending numbers are skewed higher is because we have a system of government where almost all of the spending comes out of Baton Rouge. Most states are set up where taxes and spending are local. Texas has no state income tax but you pay high local taxes that are spent locally.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:43 pm to JustSmokin
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re: New state law requires all ticketed events to be taxed- including athletics Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:17 pm to 756 quote: Looks like it may include concessions as well Concessions is currently paying sales taxes. The tax is built into the prices.
Not always true. Particularly with non profits. No one is going to charge 2.10 for a coke at a concession stand and how about $7.21 at the high school football gate?
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:44 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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it's only lasting 2 years. Relax.
How many times have we seen taxes renewed once the ice has been broken??????
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:44 pm to OceanMan
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I would say this is debatable, but not as it pertains to this discussion.
I don't think there is a debate at all. Unlike other types of taxes, the rate is not commensurate with income or holdings. It is the same for everyone.
While the poor may not buy items that are as expensive, the cost of a good or service doesn't change depending on income. Thus, since the poor have lower incomes, a 6% sales tax is a greater burden comparatively speaking for him than it is for someone who is upper-middle class.
There isn't much debate in simple math.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:47 pm to Cadello
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And as far as who's invited to the conversation, it's anyone allowed to post on this site.
Nobody said anything about not being invited.
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I really don't care about the issue. Just felt like responding
Exactly. When people do this, it retracts from the actual conversation by creating irrelevant talking points ie stirring up arguments. It is counter-productive behavior, and if you want to exhibit it, fine. But don't expect anything productive to occur if you think that this mindset is ok, because everyone will just be talking, not listening.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:57 pm to OceanMan
Well who elected you thread moderator?
Relax, it's the Rant. People Rant
Relax, it's the Rant. People Rant
Posted on 4/28/16 at 1:58 pm to 756
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Not always true. Particularly with non profits. No one is going to charge 2.10 for a coke at a concession stand and how about $7.21 at the high school football gate?
I worked concessions with a non-profit group at LSU and with a vendor at the Superdome a number of years ago. They always deducted sales tax when figuring our commission.
Can't speak to high schools, but LSU and the Saints pay sales taxes on concession sales.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:17 pm to Guava Jelly
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There isn't much debate in simple math.
Why did you choose the part where I disagreed with you, adding that it should be saved for another discussion, to respond to? I don't disagree with your original point, but it is not simple math, its tax policy. See my post above in response to Jester for further thoughts on this.
If we keep it incredibly simplified, as you guys seem to want to, business owners (wealthy people) have to react to sales tax increases in order to reduce impact to customers (prices are sticky). For the consumer, they are spending anyway, it is easier for them to shop suppliers than it is for a supplier to find new customers.
Again, I don't see why this topic only involves the poorest and richest people. Most people I know spend in accordance with their income levels, but they still spend. A "high" income is not really all that high. A family making $100k is not spending a materially lower proportion of income than a family making $40k. That appears to be the basis of your argument, so if you think it is supportable, support it. Just because the higher earners have the ability to spend less, doesn't mean they actually do. But even if they do, this analysis disregards the effects on sales tax in how that family actually made their income.
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Unlike other types of taxes, the rate is not commensurate with income or holdings.
But like all other types of taxes, your overall liability is commensurate with what you spend your money on.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:20 pm to Cadello
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Relax, it's the Rant. People Rant
I am quite relaxed at the moment.
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Well who elected you thread moderator?
You seem to have a hard time reading words and making them mean something in your brain. Post away, I don't care, but if you post/speak without considering the premise of the conversation, nobody is ever going to take you seriously.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 4:24 pm to OceanMan
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A family making $100k is not spending a materially lower proportion of income than a family making $40k.
Unless you're talking about a family of 8 or more people, $40k is well above the Federal Poverty Level. For an average family size (4-5 people) $25k is the rough poverty level.
And yes, those people do spend considerably more as a percentage of their income than do their middle/upper-middle class counterparts.
Look at states with no income tax (like Washington, Texas, and Florida), in which the tax burden is shouldered mostly by sales tax. Residents under the poverty line pay 13-17% of total income in taxes. Whereas their upper-middle class/wealthy counterparts pay 1-5% of their income.
A 2015 study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy spells this out explicitly.
Tax policy is complex. But this issue is fairly simple.
The average American family spends about $4,000 per year on groceries. Again using Texas as an example, with a state sales tax of 6.25% combined with local taxes of up to 2%, the average family can expect to spend $330 annually in sales tax for food alone.
That burden is felt more acutely as a portion of total income for lower income people than it is for middle-class to wealthy people.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 7:28 pm to OceanMan
I'm not here to be taken seriously.
Means little to me what people I will never meet that post on a random website think of me.
I'm just here for the party.
Means little to me what people I will never meet that post on a random website think of me.
I'm just here for the party.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 7:37 pm to Mr.Perfect
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What else can he do?
You can lower expensee, cut out some programs or bird and turtle studies etc.
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