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re: New NBA Rule re: Mickey
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:42 pm to Jay Quest
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:42 pm to Jay Quest
Jay Quest,
The utopian solution would be:
1. Allow anyone to enter the draft
2. The occasional LeBron, Kobe comes along and gets drafted high because he already has the skill set to compete at an All-Star level
3. Teams shy away from drafting on potential and draft more NBA ready players.
4. Because of #3, kids don't jump into the draft too early and polish their game at the NCAA level.
Only problem here is that the draft gets flooded with kids who are a year or so away and teams fear to pass on guy because he might be an All-Star five years down the road. We saw not too long ago what the NBA looks like with too many players who were not ready for the pros.
It might not be the right solution, but the league is looking out for its bottom dollar.
Also, do you really think that 18 year old kids with very little life experience know 100% what's in their best interest? I know they are legally adults, but I would think most would still need some guidance.
The utopian solution would be:
1. Allow anyone to enter the draft
2. The occasional LeBron, Kobe comes along and gets drafted high because he already has the skill set to compete at an All-Star level
3. Teams shy away from drafting on potential and draft more NBA ready players.
4. Because of #3, kids don't jump into the draft too early and polish their game at the NCAA level.
Only problem here is that the draft gets flooded with kids who are a year or so away and teams fear to pass on guy because he might be an All-Star five years down the road. We saw not too long ago what the NBA looks like with too many players who were not ready for the pros.
It might not be the right solution, but the league is looking out for its bottom dollar.
Also, do you really think that 18 year old kids with very little life experience know 100% what's in their best interest? I know they are legally adults, but I would think most would still need some guidance.
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:54 pm to sportsfan
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We saw not too long ago what the NBA looks like with too many players who were not ready for the pros.
You're exactly right. GM's are petrified to use a lottery pick on an high school kid who is more likely to be a bust or an average player than the next LeBron. I understand their reluctance. It makes good sense for them to delay the decision for a year or two for further evaluation. Its probably to the benefit of the overwhelming majority of players as well to go to college.
I can't argue with the reasoning that's been put forth in this thread for having the kids wait. Your reasoning is solid as are the others I've read. I just don't agree with it in practice.
If you think of the skills these kids possess as commodities Then I don't agree with telling someone they can't sell their commodity in a market for any reason.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:01 pm to Jay Quest
I hope they eventually move to the baseball rule. Leave straight out of high school if you want to take that risk. If you go to college, you have to then stay 3 years or be a certain age to leave sooner than that. That would seemingly be beneficial to both sides of the argument.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:04 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I hope they eventually move to the baseball rule. Leave straight out of high school if you want to take that risk. If you go to college, you have to then stay 3 years or be a certain age to leave sooner than that. That would seemingly be beneficial to both sides of the argument.
To me that would be an excellent compromise for the NBA to consider.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:16 pm to Mickey Goldmill
It's hard to compare baseball with basketball though. Baseball has a farm system that allows young kids to develop and the speed to success is not a huge issue. They draft even a 1st rounder based on what they project 4-5 years down the road.
Basketball doesn't have this method of player growth (and I don't count the D League because it is not utilized correctly IMO). Players drafted in the NBA, especially in the 1st round are expected to have instant impact.
Basketball doesn't have this method of player growth (and I don't count the D League because it is not utilized correctly IMO). Players drafted in the NBA, especially in the 1st round are expected to have instant impact.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:19 pm to sportsfan
Not only that but basketball only has two rounds to draft so they can't waist picks on kids that could then enroll in college
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:23 pm to CPT Tiger
It is impossible to compare baseball's system to any other major sport when it comes to drafting because of the huge farm system and the plethora of rounds in the draft.
The fact that kids can wait to see where they are drafted, negotiate then go to college when they don't like the outcome is beyond the NBA's scope without a real farm system and a larger draft.
The fact that kids can wait to see where they are drafted, negotiate then go to college when they don't like the outcome is beyond the NBA's scope without a real farm system and a larger draft.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:26 pm to CPT Tiger
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Not only that but basketball only has two rounds to draft so they can't waist picks on kids that could then enroll in college
Agree that it is hard to compare due to the farm system, but isnt this what happened prior to the 1 year rule? Couldn't a high school kid get drafted, yet still go to college and the NBA team would retain his rights?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:32 pm to Mickey Goldmill
No. If you entered draft that was it. No college ball
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:51 pm to Jay Quest
quote:
You're exactly right. GM's are petrified to use a lottery pick on an high school kid who is more likely to be a bust or an average player than the next LeBron. I understand their reluctance. It makes good sense for them to delay the decision for a year or two for further evaluation. Its probably to the benefit of the overwhelming majority of players as well to go to college.
I believe his point was that they were petrified NOT to use the lottery pick on the high school phenom because they might be passing on lebron KG or dwight.
Unfortunately there were far more Kwame Browns and Sebastain Telfairs.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 4:25 pm to SouthOfSouth
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lol wut? You can hire whoever you want. NBA has the right to say what is required to apply.
The Equal Employment Opportunity Act says hi.
I see what you're saying though. It's not unconstitutional to require someone to attend college to be hired, but to me its wrong to deny someone employment who is already qualified. It's not like they are becoming doctors. They get paid to play a game.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 4:34 pm to whoisnickdoobs
Talked to Jordan last week. Ran into him and his gf at the beach in PC of all places HA! He personally told me he still hasn't made up his mind. I told him, "Just my personal opinion: I think you're an excellent ball player, and I don't know your personal/family situation, but like your buddy Jarrell said, there are some things you can work to improve on before making the step to the NBA." 
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 7:53 pm to Cameron Cooke
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I told him, "Just my personal opinion: I think you're an excellent ball player, and I don't know your personal/family situation, but like your buddy Jarrell said, there are some things you can work to improve on before making the step to the NBA
Man, I bet he LOVED you!
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:18 pm to Holden Caulfield
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That's what's going to happen
Maybe a few...but the very large majority will play college ball.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:31 pm to Jay Quest
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I don't really care about what's best for the NBA or even college basketball. Its the individual who counts. I deplore the idea that anyone can be required to do something they don't want to do.
They aren't required to do anything they don't want to. They just can't play in the NBA.
It is my opinion that the NBA and its players association absolutely should be able to implement rules that is in its best interest.
The NCAA, while it may be a beneficiary, has no standing to be a part of this change.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:58 pm to SouthOfSouth
All this does is prevent the D-League from being useful and it forces UK and Duke to field teams instead of one and cones
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:35 pm to Jay Quest
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I realize that's a valid point. I simply believe a potential employer and a potential employee should decide, without outside interference, if its to their mutual benefit to enter into a work contract at any point in the potential employees maturation process.
Meh, you can have a 14 year old that would be a better worker than someone in their 30s, yet you can't employ them because there are laws preventing it. At the same time some companies wont hire minors even if they are qualified. This is no different if the NBA wants to require you to be 20 years old to enter. Id wager there are more qualified teens that can't get jobs than there are teens good enough to play in the NBA.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 9:42 pm
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