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re: New NBA Rule re: Mickey
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:27 pm to SouthOfSouth
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:27 pm to SouthOfSouth
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I really don't see a high school kid who has never lived outside their parents house moving to Russia to play basketball.
Thousands and thousands of 18 year olds go overseas every year via the military. Its not that uncommon.
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:28 pm to Jay Quest
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I don't really care about what's best for the NBA or even college basketball. Its the individual who counts. I deplore the idea that anyone can be required to do something they don't want to do.
The free market should dictate who signs an NBA contract out of high school and who plays elsewhere.
That's a fair argument, but in the end I think the time to develop as a person and player in a more nurturing environment such as the NCAA is best for the athlete. A 18 year old doesn't always know what's best for them. You gotta realize you will be playing next to 35+ year old men who have kids almost your age.
I obviously have a bias to the college basketball game but I also agree on free markets. I still think that college sports have set a precedent that athletes should play in college more than 1 year.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:32 pm to Jay Quest
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The free market should dictate who signs an NBA contract out of high school and who plays elsewhere.
Unions=no free market
This is in the best interest of the individual if you ask me. And are you saying a potential employer should not be able to require prerequisites of job seekers?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:32 pm to SouthOfSouth
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but in the end I think the time to develop as a person and player in a more nurturing environment such as the NCAA is best for the athlete.
Absolutely, if the argument is whether or not a player can benefit from a year or two in college then we're coming from the same place. Going to the NBA out of college is a huge risk for both the player and the team who drafted him.
I just believe that option shouldn't be taken away. I don't want some outside force dictating where I spend the next year of my life.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:34 pm to Jay Quest
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I just believe that option shouldn't be taken away. I don't want some outside force dictating where I spend the next year of my life.
They don't. They just tell you you cannot play in the NBA yet. NBA pays you a ton of money and getting another year to scout these players is valuable for them.
But noone tells you you have to play college basketball another year. Like we said earlier, you can go overseas.
College basketball fans hope this ends up keeping players in our league a year longer, but they don't have to stay there. I think the NCAA allows a lot of players a great opportunity to be seen and that will be a deciding factor to keep players there even if it is for two years.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:35 pm to Jay Quest
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Thousands and thousands of 18 year olds go overseas every year via the military. Its not that uncommon.
This is not the same.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:36 pm to Jay Quest
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deplore the idea that anyone can be required to do something they don't want to do.
It's like this in every industry in America, so why should sports be any different?
Most professional positions require you to go to college, get a degree, etc. Every job requires training or moving up through the ranks. The NBA is a business like any other, trying to produce the best product and generate the most revenue possible. How is it deplorable that they want their players more developed before entering the league?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:37 pm to OceanMan
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And are you saying a potential employer should not be able to require prerequisites of job seekers?
All employers are free to require any prerequisites they deem suitable for new hires. However, they will seldom become so rigid in these requirements, at least not in my experience, to forgo suitable candidates for the sole sake of these prerequisites.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:40 pm to Jay Quest
Jordan Mickey's dad just confirmed that Jordan still hasn't made a decision yet. Scary.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:42 pm to SouthOfSouth
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But noone tells you you have to play college basketball another year.
I realize that's a valid point. I simply believe a potential employer and a potential employee should decide, without outside interference, if its to their mutual benefit to enter into a work contract at any point in the potential employees maturation process.
I understand the points you and others are making, and I can't say you're wrong, I just see things differently.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:42 pm to Jay Quest
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All employers are free to require any prerequisites they deem suitable for new hires. However, they will seldom become so rigid in these requirements, at least not in my experience, to forgo a suitable candidates for the sole sake of these prerequisites.
Disagree. I think it is a very good analogy for why the NBA would require 2 years of college experience or be 20 before entering draft.
That's not that strict. It's the right of the NBA to do this and I think it is better for both the NBA, college basketball, and the players.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:44 pm to Jay Quest
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I understand the points you and others are making, and I can't say you're wrong, I just see things differently.
I actually think this discussion has been very civil and reasonable. I certainly see the side you are coming from being a true believer in the free markets. Still, the NBA, NBA executives, and the NBA Players Association will have to agree on this and that to me shows this is coming from the employer and employees.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:45 pm to Jay Quest
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All employers are free to require any prerequisites they deem suitable for new hires. However, they will seldom become so rigid in these requirements, at least not in my experience, to forgo a suitable candidates for the sole sake of these prerequisites.
I understand where you are coming from, but college education is typically not flexible. College and GPA isnt about what you know, its a right of passage and to prove you are disciplined enough to meet and/or exceed expectations.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:49 pm to OceanMan
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. College and GPA isnt about what you know, its a right of passage and to prove you are disciplined enough to meet and/or exceed expectations.
Like I was telling South you guys are making excellent points that are difficult to ignore. I agree its in everyone's best interest to have the kid spend a year or two in college. Its just that a cringe when someone tells me what's best for me. I want to be in a position to make those decisions myself.
Different opinions.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:56 pm to Jay Quest
I think it's fair to say that not all of these kids have your level of judgment, and often times less than desirable support groups. Also, a potential career that can be very lucrative might cloud that judgement further.
I'm with you that at this point in my career, I would be very put off by that idea, I just don't see it the sane way for a handful of kids every few years.
I'm with you that at this point in my career, I would be very put off by that idea, I just don't see it the sane way for a handful of kids every few years.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:59 pm to sportsfan
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Most professional positions require you to go to college, get a degree, etc. Every job requires training or moving up through the ranks. The NBA is a business like any other, trying to produce the best product and generate the most revenue possible. How is it deplorable that they want their players more developed before entering the league?
That's a pretty big generalization. This rule is bullshite in my opinion. I would rather see players go to college to make NCAA basketball more fun to watch, but they shouldn't be forced to do so. It seems unconstitutional to deny anyone a job application who already has a developed skillset.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:01 pm to whoisnickdoobs
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It seems unconstitutional to deny anyone a job application who already has a developed skillset.
lol wut?
You can hire whoever you want. NBA has the right to say what is required to apply.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:08 pm to Jay Quest
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Its just that a cringe when someone tells me what's best for me. I want to be in a position to make those decisions myself.
Different opinions.
It's not really a matter of different opinions, you seem to be looking at the issue incorrectly. It is absolutely free market for an employer to hire according to whatever standards they desire. And they aren't doing this under the auspice of it being best for all the kids, they are doing it because they think it is best for their business model. They aren't compelling anyone to do anything. They are simply changing their own hiring guidelines.
People can like it or dislike it from a fan point of view or whatever, but this has absolutely zilch to do with "free markets" blah, blah.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:24 pm to ChewyDante
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It is absolutely free market for an employer to hire according to whatever standards they desire.
This isn't a standard that's being applied. They're not insisting the kid go to college or even that he play overseas to improve his skills. They're freezing him out of the limited job market. No where did I say the MUST hire/draft these kids. I'm saying I believe they should allow for the possibility of hiring/drafting an NBA ready kid.
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but this has absolutely zilch to do with "free markets" blah, blah.
Any time you restrict freedom to hire or fire you're restricting the free market from one perspective or another.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:41 pm to Jay Quest
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They're freezing him out of the limited job market. No where did I say the MUST hire/draft these kids. I'm saying I believe they should allow for the possibility of hiring/drafting an NBA ready kid.
And that's your opinion. You aren't part of the organization running the league. It has zero to do with free markets or anyone's rights to work being infringed when a company or organization sets it's own standards that it believes are best for the growth and success of their product.
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Any time you restrict freedom to hire or fire you're restricting the free market from one perspective or another.
This is just ridiculous. Again, I have no problem with someone disagreeing with the wisdom of the move, but to make this an issue of "free markets" is quite the stretch. No one is being told by a state authority to do anything. The players can go play overseas or in some other professional basketball market if they can find one. The NBA not hiring them doesn't mean they are restricting free markets. That's crazy.
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