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re: Nebraska Syndrome
Posted on 11/20/15 at 9:51 am to Maderan
Posted on 11/20/15 at 9:51 am to Maderan
quote:Whoop there it is.
Trying to keep up with the Joneses (Alabama) isn't a reason to fire a good coach. After all who are you going to replace him with, as there aren't many coaches capable of getting results like Saban (maybe none).
Accept that Mediocrity. Accept it. Accept It.
Worship and Cherish it!
Poor ole LSU will not be able to hire anybody better than Les Miles. Remember the 90's.
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:01 am to Nuts4LSU
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le Miss and Auburn hired coaches from Arkansas State who had two and one year, respectively, of head coaching experience. Both of them beat Alabama within their first two years, one has beaten them twice in a row and the other one went to the NC game in his first year.
If Ole Miss and Auburn can raid a Sun Belt school for two coaches that can do more in their first two years than Miles has done in the last four, why is it so impossible that we could actually find a good coach?
and look at auburn......pretty terrible right now. And Ole Miss Lost to fricking Memphis....... Memphis....fricking Memphis....... And before people say well Memphis is good this year..... Well they just lost 2 in a row to Navy and Houston. Imagine the shite storm here is we lost to an AAC team. So give me a break. Basically Bama s build to beat us and will give up a loss to an Ole miss or A&M because we are built to beat those types of teams. It is way more complex than just beating Bama.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 10:03 am
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:01 am to blowmeauburn
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Do you want to win a title?
I didn't even address that in my post. I was merely pointing out the fact that Nebraska's success, or lack-thereof, is much more intricate than people realize.
I wasn't defending Miles, nor was I justifying a potential fire. How he finishes this season will determine whether or not I wash my hands of him.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:04 am to semjase
quote:yep losing to a coach who everyone else loses to is mediocrity....
Trying to keep up with the Joneses (Alabama) isn't a reason to fire a good coach. After all who are you going to replace him with, as there aren't many coaches capable of getting results like Saban (maybe none).
Whoop there it is.
Accept that Mediocrity. Accept it. Accept It.
Worship and Cherish it!
Poor ole LSU will not be able to hire anybody better than Les Miles. Remember the 90's.
Give me a break, i want to beat them just as much as you but to say losing to them is accepting mediocrity is ludicrous.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:05 am to Maderan
I almost started this thread a few days ago. Scares the shite out of me. Entitlement thinking.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:06 am to Maderan
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Nebraska fired Frank Solich in 2003 after a 10-3 season. He had a 75% win percentage in his tenure of 6 years. The fan base believed that he couldn't get them past the mediocrity of not having a perfect record
That's the line that everybody loves to throw around when talking about getting rid of "winning" coaches, but if you take just a quick look at the end of Solich's tenure, it's easy to see why it was needed
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The Huskers slumped to 7–7 in 2002 and Solich shook up his staff. He gave up offensive play-calling duties to newly hired offensive coordinator Barney Cotton and brought in Bo Pelini, the linebackers coach for the Green Bay Packers, as defensive coordinator. 2003 began with Nebraska starting out 5–0, but suffered three key losses later in the year: 41–24 to Missouri, 31–7 to Texas and 38–9 to Kansas State. After winning the final game of the regular season, Solich was fired by new athletic director Steve Pederson.
Solich's 58 wins during his first six seasons as Nebraska's head coach exceeded those of his predecessors, Bob Devaney (53 wins) and Osborne (55 wins), both of whom are in the College Football Hall of Fame.[1] But Solich won only one Big 12 North title and conference championship in six seasons and had a 1–9 record on the road against ranked teams (0–9 in conference play), and the team had a drop-off in offensive production.
Solich did exactly what Les has done the past couple of years. Beat all the OOC teams and lesser conference foes, and get run over by the equal/better teams in the league.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:07 am to High C
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I almost started this thread a few days ago. Scares the shite out of me. Entitlement thinking.
But the offensive philosphy has to change. Simply no imagination.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:09 am to CarRamrod
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yep losing to a coach who everyone else loses to is mediocrity
IF the sole reason for getting rid of Les was b/c he couldn't beat Saban and win titles, then I agree a change would be unwise. However, it's going much deeper than that, as LSU has seemingly lost the ability to consistently compete in the West on a game by game basis. 13-11 in the last 3 years is a real possibility, and I don't see how that doesn't at least drive a discussion of a change.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:23 am to blowmeauburn
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Les has proven he can't beat Bama and if you can't beat Bama then you can't win a title.
Bama has lost 12 SEC games going back to the 2007 season - 3 to LSU (all under Les Miles).
The ENTIRE rest of the SEC has managed to average a paltry .75 wins each.
In fact, only Miles and Gus have beaten Saban more than 1 time since he has been at Bama.
quote:
Time to give someone else a shot.
Mullen? Jimbo? Patterson?
What on those guys' resumes make them better than Les?
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:24 am to OldManRiver
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After winning the final game of the regular season, Solich was fired by new athletic director Steve Pederson.
I was at that game.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:26 am to Maderan
2 weeks to prepare for bama, our biggest game since the 2012 NC and this coaching staff does absolutely zero in terms of preparation. They've gotten comfortable and lazy.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:28 am to saint amant steve
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owever, the scenarios are not as similar as you might believe and Nebraska's problems were the direct result of poor decision after poor decision.
I think its more similar than you think. Lets say Les is exactly like Solich and Bo in every way. In the case of Solich and Bo, Nebraska could have done better. I'm a Les fan and I can honestly say that my first reaction when he was hired was "We could have done better." But in all three cases, the guy ended up winning. But in each case a lot of that winning can be attributed to being in the right situation and not just to the coach. And at the end of the day, while there were some wins, the coach just didn't win enough so you have to let him go. Here is the point where LSU has to be different and I think this is what the OP was getting at. You can't settle for mediocrity and you have to be brave enough to make a move. BUT it has to be a great move. You have to have a sure thing. You can't just change for the sake of change. Nebraska did that twice and got egg on their face. I like Les but at this point I feel like he's dug himself into a big arse hole. He doesn't control his own destiny on the football field or in real life. If the powers that be say he has to go, fine. But don't bring fricking Paul Rhodes, Larry Fadora, Willy Taggart, Tom Herman or even Justin Fuentes in here. You have to hit a home run.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 10:34 am
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:32 am to OldManRiver
Oh, it's driving a discussion alright.
We definitely lose this wknd, but no way in Hell we lose to A&M. With that being a given, Miles will be here next year, barring an embarrassing loss to OM coupled w a loss to A&M.
Not sure how anybody can see Miles' tenure going beyond next season. It's not necessary to read b/w the lines to know about the Miles clause/ Chavis fiasco, and regardless of any improvement offensively or special teams wise, the defense won't be any better, probably not as good.
We definitely lose this wknd, but no way in Hell we lose to A&M. With that being a given, Miles will be here next year, barring an embarrassing loss to OM coupled w a loss to A&M.
Not sure how anybody can see Miles' tenure going beyond next season. It's not necessary to read b/w the lines to know about the Miles clause/ Chavis fiasco, and regardless of any improvement offensively or special teams wise, the defense won't be any better, probably not as good.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:32 am to CarRamrod
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auburn......pretty terrible right now.
They're having a bad season. Only a little worse than the one we're having. Last year, they had an identical season to ours. The year before, they had a MUCH better season. It's pretty even on that basis, plus they have an SEC title and NC game appearance and we don't.
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Ole Miss Lost to fricking Memphis.
Ole Miss had a better season than we did last year, beat Alabama last year and this year, beat us in 2013 and will obviously beat us again tomorrow. I'd say it's comparable to us, at worst.
Now, even if you say those teams aren't doing any better than we are right now, it's at least comparable. These are two Sun Belt coaches with one or two years' experience performing at or above the level Miles is while coaching at two schools who don't have nearly the advantages we do. If two inferior programs can raid a Sun Belt school and get two coaches who perform from day one at a level equal to or higher than Miles in his 9th-11th years at a superior program, is it so hard to believe we could find someone better than Miles?
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Bama s build to beat us and will give up a loss to an Ole miss or A&M because we are built to beat those types of teams.
Ah, so it all works out even in the end, then, eh? I guess that's why Alabama and LSU are having such similar success these last few years. My bad.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:35 am to atltiger6487
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you can't run a program paralyzed by fear of making a mistake. The status quo is unacceptable and a change is needed. No guarantee that the next guy will be better, but what we have now is unacceptable, so do your diligence, hire the best guy we can find, and move forward.
This. A thousand times this.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:41 am to OldManRiver
quote:I dont believe that at all.... The only Team in the West that has been able to do that is Bama. That is why all the mediocrity talk is coming from.. People dont want to be 2nd fiddle to Saban. Hell i dont want to be either, but im not making excuses saying we are mediocre. Mediocre teams aren't #2 in the country at some point during the season.
as LSU has seemingly lost the ability to consistently compete in the West on a game by game basis.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:44 am to Nuts4LSU
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They're having a bad season. Only a little worse than the one we're having. Last year, they had an identical season to ours. The year before, they had a MUCH better season. It's pretty even on that basis, plus they have an SEC title and NC game appearance and we don't.
so you are discounting our 2011 SEC title and NC appearance? So Auburn can has a few bad seasons and it is ok but We cant.... Get over yourself. Are things wrong and bad right now, yes. but buying a new car when you hear a studder in your engine isnt a good idea. It could me a catastrophic problem but it could be a loose nut. Find out if you can fix it first. Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:49 am to Ace Midnight
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Jimbo? Patterson?
What on those guys' resumes make them better than Les?
Matt Moscona said it best yesterday. If this thing happens, LSU doesn't need to make a hire based on resume alone. Curley Hallman had a great resume. We all know how that worked out.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:52 am to RealityTiger
Look at this and just this and tell me the teams that compeat for the west during Miles Tenure. Cause to me it looks like LSU and Bama are the only 2 that are consistently there.
2005 LSU*, Auburn
2006 Arkansas
2007 LSU
2008 Alabama
2009 Alabama
2010 Auburn
2011 LSU
2012 Alabama
2013 Alabama
2014 Alabama
2005 LSU*, Auburn
2006 Arkansas
2007 LSU
2008 Alabama
2009 Alabama
2010 Auburn
2011 LSU
2012 Alabama
2013 Alabama
2014 Alabama
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:54 am to Maderan
Agree. This firing talk is premature and foolish. We do this every year. If we lose out, then it may be time
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