re: NCAA basketball minimum 2 year rule

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So how else can they document and enforce minimum "qualifications"? Require them to have a degree in an irrelevant field? You are oversimplifying the intent of the rule. The NBA would prefer kids coming into the league with at least one year of coaching by a professional (not some nobody AAU coach) .

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I understand the intent of the NBA, but the rule itself is disqualification based on age exclusively - which I believe should be illegal.

These players in general play one year in college or D-League or Europe, but that is not in the rule at all.

The player simply has to wait a year. Literally nothing else. A player could literally sit on his couch eating potato chips and playing xbox for the year, AND then be eligible to enter the draft. Think about how ridiculous that sounds.

Yet, that's the rule. You are ineligible for the draft and must wait one year, then you will be able to register for the draft. The only requirement is the year wait - nothing else.

Of course the intent is to force the players into a pseudo farm system for evaluation. The problem is the NBA isn't employing them and is refusing them employment based solely on one criteria: date of birth. Not talent, maturity, strength, endurance, vertical, etc. Just date of birth.

I believe it is restrictive to free trade to bar an adult from a appyling for a job. If he isn't qualified he won't get hired, that simple. The other guy used NASA for some idiotic reason.

If you are qualified, NASA does not have an age requirement and will hire you at 18.

The only valid point made is the age requirements for POTUS, etc. Guess what? I disagree with that as well.

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It really seems like you only see this argument from a players perspective.

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I am seeing this from what I consider an ethical perspective.

If 18 is the age by which a person is considered an adult, then that person should have all rights afforded to all adults. If congress wants to set it at 16, 19, 21, 25, I personally don't care.

I just have an ethical issue with an 18 year old "adult" being mature and responsible enough to join the military, fight in wars around the world, marry his girlfriend, adopt and be legal guardian to a child, but doesn't satisfy the arbitrary age requirement of the NBA.

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Sure thats fine, you tell me what that criteria should be so that it is fair for each individual, and would also accomplish the goal the NBA has.

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The NBA should pony up and support a farm system. It's that simple. Btw, it doesn't have to be elaborate. Even a supplemental draft for HS graduates in which if a player is drafted, he's paid minimum wage and placed in a 2 team developmental league.

I find it interesting that no one argues over whether 17 year old HS baseball players should be allowed to go pro, or 14 year tennis phenoms.

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I think the 1-year rule along with 3 years for NFL (or 2+ age) are unconstitutional. But when you have billions dollar revenue entities (NBA, NFL) hand shaking with other billion dollar revenue entities (NCAA), they get to make up the rules for themselves.

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No they don't & no it isn't unconstitutional. The age issue was part of the collective bargain. The rule won't change until the 2017 season with regard to the NBA.

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I find it interesting that you have ignored my argument that the 19 yo rule effectively ensures that the player is 18 at the time of the draft.(and when he signs with an agent for that matter). If this weren't the case, a kid could conceivably void his contract with his agent and/or team while 17, and the team could to nothing about it.

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Not true at all. The NBA set the age requirement to pretty much guarantee a year of college before getting drafted.

High school kids are looking at overseas the same way the rant is which is with little to no thinking.

I am for the rule being the baseball rule. But also having the same baseball rule for college basketball players which is not being talked about. If a player declares as a junior and does not get drafted or gets drafted in the second round, meaning no guaranteed deal, they can come back as long as they don't sign. Much like a baseball junior or HS stud, that does not get the money they want.

Overseas is a terrible option for most young kids. Most have never lived on their own for an extended period of time, much less deal with large sums of money. Playing in countries where they do not speak the language for the most part, and are not these tropical paradises, overseas is made out to be. Very few overseas players make north of $250K. Yes, the argument will be a kid from the inner city that now has to wait three years, has an offer from a club in Europe or the rest of the world to play for $100,000 a year and that would certainly support his family. Problem is there are so many horror stories of Americans in particular, that never even visit the country, team, or where they are even going to live before signing, and arriving to find almost the exact opposite of what they expect.

Away from America and your family for 6-7 months. With literally nothing but basketball. If you are lucky maybe two others guys that speak any English at all on the team, and freezing your butt off for a paycheck that may never come.

The better competition is also not what it is made out to be. Yes the top European division, a handful of Chinese/East Asian teams, Israeli league, and probably 10-12 other teams worldwide that NBA coaches would even know much less respect. Some of these divisions, are glorified Adult Leauges.


The real problem with the entire NBA/college/hs dynamic is that compared to baseball, football, and basketball. Basketball you have the slimmest chance of "making it", that is making and signing with an NBA roster for an entire season, just to get the minimum. Only 30 new guys a year are guaranteed a spot in the NBA. If you are not a guaranteed first round pick, or guaranteed roster guy (JOB3), you should not leave school and miss out on a degree. Kids forever have left for various reasons and will continue to do so. So trying to conceive what they are thinking, who is in their ear, and their family situations is pointless, because you just don't know.

The NBA has recognized it and agrees, they do have an obligation to protect kids from trying to make that jump when they are not ready. It makes for a better NBA product, and a better college game. What the NBA is struggling with is the "Lebron James" problem. Every couple of years you will get a HS kid that blows everyone out of the water, that is a sure-fire Top-5 pick, whether he is a stud or bust does not matter. The hype and publicity these guys get at such a young age brings a lot of attention and added revenue to the league, that quite frankly if they go to a strict two and done, they lose the one and dones, and high school phenoms that are there cash cows.

Yes a player like Lebron James would have been successful whether he came straight out of HS, one, two, or 3 years in college. Then there is Brandon Jennings who went overseas, skipping college and made a lot of money and still got drafted very high. But look at Jeremy Tyler as the worst tragedy of them all. Now there is Emmanuel Mudiay who is making a terrible mistake to go play overseas, it may work out and I hope it does but odds are against him.

Even Brandon Jennings and scouts agreed had he gone to college and torn it up probably a higher pick. Enes Kanter had a decision to play overseas or go to Kentucky knowing he may have to sit out. He chose Kentucky and even though he had to sit out, he got drafted high because scouts were able to pick up a phone call Cal and ask about him. They were able to know he got atleast one year of great basketball instruction. The NBA does not need a "minor league", yes an expanded D-Leauge would improve the product, but not by much. College basketball is the greatest minor league for every sport, because at the end of the day, college athletics and the NCAA for all of its flaws, has risen and grown. The blue bloods in every sport, will continue to make college athletics the next best thing to the pros.

to LSU athletics I hope they continue to (football,baseball) and now renew it in basketball, sending guys early to their respective pro-leauges early, we have one of the best minor league universities in the nation

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Not true at all. The NBA set the age requirement to pretty much guarantee a year of college before getting drafted.

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The part you chose to bold is absolutely true.

Also, the age limit is only part of the rule, with the year out of high school being a seperate additional requirement. I also clearly gave a more detailed reason than you did earlier in the thread, so no need to argue with me.