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re: Mindblowing how different people can see totally different games.....

Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:22 pm to
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:22 pm to
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we need to open the passing game.


What do you mean by this? Mett threw it 27 times. The game ended up being about 60/40 run. And considering we have a ton of talent and depth in the backfield, and running is our strength, I think that's a good balance. Much better than last year.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89613 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:23 pm to
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The first one wasnt even a huge deal. It was the second one in our territory.


This is analysis that most miss - the first fumble (while costly) was a third down play - if it is just a muffed snap that we fell on - a incomplete pass, a throwaway or a sack - if any of those things happen, we would have kicked a FG - as it is, we got 2 points and the ball back, which, in my mind are close enough to mark it paid.

The second one set up Auburn's only touchdown and was, for all practical purposes the turning point in momentum which Auburn tenously maintained (and the lead for a good bit) until we kicked the field goal. Auburn had a single decent drive - the field goal. They had a score off the second fumble and their offense was effectively negated.

They played somewhat better special teams, but in that game, that was a dubious distinction - both punters did fairly well, but shanked a couple. We missed a field goal and most punts resulted in a fielding attempt reminiscent of Benny Hill videos, only missing the Yakkity Sax soundtrack, even if the fair catch signal was given.

Both teams played outstanding defense - I don't want to say they dominated our offense, because we moved the ball fairly well for significant stretches, but they played well enough after the touchdown drive to say they shut us down. Other than the one drive for FG and the touchdown off the second Mett fumble, our defense smothered them.

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Yep


While Mett is taking heat for the fumbles and the general lack of offensive production -

1.) He's getting much better at throwing the ball away without grounding

2.) He's getting more consistent (still needs work) at sensing pressure and adjusting to it.

3.) He generally (still needs work) makes good decisions as to when to tuck and run.

These aspects of QB play are not always obvious, but they're clear improvements he's made this season already.

There is a generalize "failure to execute" tag that can be applied to the entire offense and it is frustrating in that they seem off-sync much of the time. One minute the blocking is good, but either Mett or Ware go the wrong way. The next the pass is right on the money but the receiver drops it. Then, there is a jailbreak on Mett which disrupts the play/causes turnover etc. Then there will be a couple of false starts on the same drive.

Short of getting a guy who can handle most DEs, in the league, most of the time, at LT, much of these things can be fixed. I'm not sure we can improve the WRs catching ability, but technique like "watch the ball go into your hands and securing it before you run", can be reinforced. Similarly, "Personal fouls are bad, m'kay? So, don't commit personal fouls, m'kay?" can be coached.
This post was edited on 9/24/12 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:26 pm to
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Would a beard be more "Quarterback-y"



Actually yeah. A beard is one thing, but Mett is clearly doing the stache as a joke. At least I hope so because it looks fricking stupid.

I'm all for being yourself and showing personality, but he's doing something I've only seen done for Halloween or Movember for cancer awareness.

He's goofing around and that's fine, but when we start rolling into SEC primetime games every week, the media coverage is going to be much more present.

I'd prefer if he just presented himself in a way that doesn't allow the media to take us any less seriously than they already do, given their unwillingness to acknowledge our coach as being a top 2 or 3 guy in the country, which he clearly is, because of some of his traits that allow them to shrug off his accomplishments as "The Mad Hatter".

If Mett wants to be taken seriously by the media, and more importantly the NFL, shave the stache and look the part.

This whole thread is me praising him. I love the kid, but I just think that the stache is high school homecoming skit-ish.

Would he wear the stache to his combine interviews with men looking to hand over millions and the future of their franchise to a young QB??

Probably not.

Well, they're watching.
This post was edited on 9/24/12 at 1:34 pm
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:33 pm to
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(1) Pass protection atrocious;

That's a bit strong. The line allowed two sacks. They weren't dominant by any stretch of the imagination, but "atrocious" is also wrong. They could play better, as we expected that to be a team strength, and right now it isn't.

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(2) WR's dropped balls and didn't consistently separate;

No arguments. The receiving corps is the team's worst unit right now.

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(3) Run blocking erratic;

Meh. Taking out sacks, we rushed for 197 yards. That's pretty darn good. I would've liked to have converted some more 3rd and shorts, but I have no real complaints here. The team effectively and consistently ran the ball.

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(4) Critical turnovers;

Mett's second fumble was pretty bad, but that's about it. And the team didn't turn it over once in the 2nd half while clinging to a one-score lead. LSU was +1 on turnovers on the game. Hard to complain about that.

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(5) Playcalling rote and questionable, especially where we repeatedly ran directly into nine man fronts;

People will always question when the play doesn't work. We got into 3rd and shorts, and then only converted half of the time. You're supposed to be able to convert those, but I have no problem just mashing forward on 3rd and 2. Especially when the receivers can't catch. We ran some sweeps to Shep which was nice to see, and the passing game was able to stretch the field, but could do more so if guys would haul in the ball.

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(6) Defense incredible, save for one or two missed coverages (thank God Frazier overthrew McCalleb);

I'm shocked Frazier overthrew someone the one time all game someone was open. I wouldn't call that "thank God" territory, it was a deep pass from an erratic arm who hadn't had open looks all night.

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(7) We beat a 1-2 18 point underdog by a measely safety. Not a great night. Sloppy.

There is no other column for "ugly wins" or "should've lost". It's a win. Definitely sloppy though. But its the old Bill Parcells win -- you get the W, but also plenty of ammo to yelll at the team for. LSU now has two wins in 15 years at Auburn, so I'm not going to complain about this one.

We need to improve, but this game wasn't the disaster you think it is. It was a sloppy game, but it was also a good gut check. The team never panicked, and Mett took care of the ball in the 2nd half and let the defense take us home. Good decision making.
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:39 pm to
Good post, Baloo. Very reasonable recap.
Posted by Tayday
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Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:42 pm to
Tiger rant = people rant. Your logic has no place here.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10234 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:49 pm to
Well I will say this I watched the game twice, and came away with the same thoughts I had after Saturday. Frustration. Lasy year I gave the staff a pass for conservative play calling this year now way. If they don't figure out how to out smart someone on a opposing defense LSU is fricked, and by fricked I mean 9-3 fricked. This power run we will run over your shite ain't going to cut it this year. They had a year to change the routes they run to figure out better blocking schemes. You mean to tell me ULM has a better offensive philosphy than LSU. The reality is yes they do. They know how to create mismatches. Les doesn't think he needs too. That is my problem with what I have watched for the last 4 years and counting. I have been a Les Miles supporter but I can tell you my patience is running low. We'll see maybe againt Florida we'll see a different game plan but right now I don't see it. I expect a swamp beat down if they look like they did last Saturday.
Posted by The312
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Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:52 pm to
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Baloo


Your analysis is fair. Our disagreements are predominantly a matter of degree. I don't consider the game a "disaster" simply because we won, due to an incredible defensive effort.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 2:02 pm to
Yeah, I generally hate "yardage zealots" who put way too much stock into yards and not enough into converting yards into points. but LSU did outgain Auburn 2 to 1. Usually, that means you win by blowout. LSU just had some big plays not go their way and then kept letting Auburn hang around.

Panic is always bad, but this team can't rest on its laurels either. It needs to get better. But it all comes down to two things: better receiver play and FOCUS.
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 2:24 pm to
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OL needs fixing without question.


Miles says no changes will be made
Posted by lsuexpert57
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Member since Oct 2008
1605 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 2:46 pm to
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This power run we will run over your shite ain't going to cut it this year. They had a year to change the routes they run to figure out better blocking schemes. You mean to tell me ULM has a better offensive philosphy than LSU. The reality is yes they do. They know how to create mismatches. Les doesn't think he needs too. That is my problem with what I have watched for the last 4 years and counting. I have been a Les Miles supporter but I can tell you my patience is running low. We'll see maybe againt Florida we'll see a different game plan but right now I don't see it. I expect a swamp beat down if they look like they did last Saturday.


Whoa dude, chill out. You may have "watched the game twice" but you haven't increased your football acumen much.

First this assertion you make that "ULM's coaches" know how to create mismatches but LSU can't. The reason that CLM doesn't think he needs to create mismatches is because he DOESN'T! Our whole offense is a mismatch for 99% of the defenses we play because of how CLM has built his team. Just as Saban does at Bama, LSU thrives on building a team that plays "grown man" football and forces defenses to distort themselves to try and overcome the huge disadvantage that occurs when they try to stop LSU with a 7 man front.

LSU's style of offense forces defenses like Auburn to commit 8 or 9 men to the box and also to take chances with blitzes to have any chance of stopping us. This makes play calling very simple. Our main problem so far this year has not been the plays that are called, rather with the execution of those plays.

There have been breakdowns this year at every level of our passing game, from QB, to receiver, to protection. The coaches can only implement and call the plays, the players have to execute them properly. So far this year we have struggled with that execution, hopefully we will improve in this area as the season goes on.
Posted by ROUSSEL77
Canton GA
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 2:51 pm to
Agree....ill take 9 more 2 point wins!
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67592 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 2:54 pm to
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You mean to tell me ULM has a better offensive philosphy than LSU. The reality is yes they do.


Are you serious? The spread is what the option was 30 years ago. Teams with lesser talent run the spread.

Who are the best 2 programs in country right now?

What offense do they run?

Posted by blackjackjackson
fourth dimension
Member since May 2008
7675 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 2:56 pm to
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people see what they chose to see some folks have shitty lives, therefore all they generally see is shite some folks have stable lives, therefore they generally see stability I'm number 2


me two, too. their two, shite.

fabulous analysis.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39627 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:06 pm to
Holy shite, I agree with every point you made, right down to the stashe! I was fired up after that game. LSU won the national title in 2007 with a team that would have lost that game Saturday.
Posted by blackjackjackson
fourth dimension
Member since May 2008
7675 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:10 pm to
F.E.A.R.
false expectations appearing real.

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but I can tell you my patience is running low
tigerfannkaty.

either lower your expectations, or have faith.

faith usually begins w/ the record of the past.
faith usually begins w/ gratitude.

if you are grateful for les, you will have less les fear.

the fear of the negatigahs is based on their own lack of faith.

les miles coaches FAITH and INSPIRES his players.

lm cannot coach fans. fans have to choose on their own to live in faith or fear.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:11 pm to
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Posted by blackjackjackson
fourth dimension
Member since May 2008
7675 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:13 pm to
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Whoa dude, chill out. You may have "watched the game twice" but you haven't increased your football acumen much. First this assertion you make that "ULM's coaches" know how to create mismatches but LSU can't. The reason that CLM doesn't think he needs to create mismatches is because he DOESN'T! Our whole offense is a mismatch for 99% of the defenses we play because of how CLM has built his team. Just as Saban does at Bama, LSU thrives on building a team that plays "grown man" football and forces defenses to distort themselves to try and overcome the huge disadvantage that occurs when they try to stop LSU with a 7 man front. LSU's style of offense forces defenses like Auburn to commit 8 or 9 men to the box and also to take chances with blitzes to have any chance of stopping us. This makes play calling very simple. Our main problem so far this year has not been the plays that are called, rather with the execution of those plays. There have been breakdowns this year at every level of our passing game, from QB, to receiver, to protection. The coaches can only implement and call the plays, the players have to execute them properly. So far this year we have struggled with that execution, hopefully we will improve in this area as the season goes on.
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lsuexpert57


wow, lsuexpert57, i like you.
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:13 pm to
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You're the leader of a national contender. Look the part!!


What does a leader look like?

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Seriously, you people are hilarious


really? again, what does a leader look like?
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
30050 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:13 pm to
The lurkers only post when the game is close or we lose.
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