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re: Miles Says Offensive Scheme Is Not The Problem
Posted on 9/25/14 at 9:59 am to White Tiger
Posted on 9/25/14 at 9:59 am to White Tiger
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Does it occur to anyone that the team does not "execute" because it is not very talented?
if the coaching staff brought in non-talented players, who does that fall on?
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:00 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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That doesn't look like an offensive scheme problem to me.
not for MSU it doesn't!
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:01 am to monsterballads
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if the coaching staff brought in non-talented players, who does that fall on?
Like I said earlier there are ONLY two options for Miles rationale:
1) He isnt capable of coaching them to execute properly.
2) He isnt capable of recruiting athletes capable of proper execution.
Either way it's on less miles
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:03 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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They are NOT paid to put on an offensive show.
but they are paid to stop one
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:06 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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So you have no problem with the defense giving up nearly 360 yards on just 9 plays?
I think it can be blamed on bad play defensively AND terrible offense that did absolutely NOTHING to help the defense...hell at least the defense showed the offense where the end zone was.
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You don't seem to have any clue as to how the LSU coaching staff approaches winning football games
I know exactly what they are trying to accomplish...I also know they are incapable of making adjustments prior to half time...and in some case never.
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They are NOT paid to put on an offensive show.
good thing or they would be panhandling at intersections
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:14 am to monsterballads
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but they are paid to stop one
Exactly where I saw the problem as well.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:14 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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They are NOT paid to put on an offensive show.
They are paid to make necessary adjustments to score points in order to keep with the other team that is scoring points though. You can hope your defense won't get torched but if that starts to happen, you are going to have to open it up a bit sooner rather than later.
And yeah we adjusted in the last 2 minutes, but that wasn't all on us. State also had a large number of backups in there and were mailing it in on D. That was flukish.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:21 am to etm512
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State also had a large number of backups in there
that's not true
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and were mailing it in on D. That was flukish.
not true either
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:26 am to monsterballads
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not true either
they were playing soft. rushing 3 is not what they did the entire game
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:31 am to Topwater Trout
The 49ers have moved to a spread offense this year, they have been outscored 49-3 in the 4th quarter.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:32 am to Topwater Trout
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rushing 3 is not what they did the entire game
you're right. and with EIGHT defensive backs to throw against.
and harris found his targets 6-9 times for 140 yards and two TD's
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:33 am to dgnx6
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The 49ers have moved to a spread offense this year, they have been outscored 49-3 in the 4th quarter.
sounds like they moved to a spread defense
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:34 am to Topwater Trout
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terrible offense that did absolutely NOTHING to help the defense
Actually I believe the offense held the ball for 18:38 in the first half to MSU's 11:22. That's a LOT of help for the defense.
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...I also know they are incapable of making adjustments prior to half time...and in some case never.
Okay, that's just dumb.
I find it hysterical that we all knew going into the season what the weaknesses of this team were DTs and QBs/WRs, and now everyone's freaking out due to the poor execution on the part of the DTs and QBs.
So in their first loss who can be surprised that the DTs were gashed and the offense couldn't catch up? The amount of youth on this team is astounding and is a product of losing so many players early to the NFL.
So the coaching staff has the dual challenge of trying to come up with an offensive game plan that will protect the ball and compensating for weaknesses on the defense. That does NOT mean having freshmen QBs throwing it all over the field to freshmen WRs and blitzing every play on defense. I know that's what people in the stands want to see, but that doesn't necessarily put the team in the best position to actually win the football game.
The staff has a formula that has been winning a lot of games over the last 9-10 years, and just because they find themselves with an extremely young team doesn't mean they're going to just abandon their approach and start going crazy. Actually the WORST thing you could do to this young team right now is to abandon the conservative approach that they're taking. They just need to keep working on the fundamentals of technique and execution.
It's a young team, no one expected them to go undefeated in the preseason, it was just after winning 3 straight that suddenly everyone has visions of an undefeated season. Pump the brakes, and give 'em a break.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:40 am to monsterballads
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sounds like they moved to a spread defense
defense isnt as good as it used to, but kapernik look like shite, even though he ran the spread in college.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:50 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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The staff has a formula that has been winning a lot of games over the last 9-10 years, and just because they find themselves with an extremely young team doesn't mean they're going to just abandon their approach and start going crazy.
just keep pounding the ball at 8 man fronts with an oline that has shown it is incapable of opening up holes this year....you and apparently the coaching staff seem to be unaware that you can spread the defense AND still run the ball...see wiconsin game and tell me how our running game looked when we spread the defense. Why in the hell have we refused to try it since? Now that is dumb
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offense held the ball for 18:38 in the first half to MSU's 11:22. That's a LOT of help for the defense
and scored 3 pts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:56 am to CptBengal
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Like I said earlier there are ONLY two options for Miles rationale: 1) He isnt capable of coaching them to execute properly. 2) He isnt capable of recruiting athletes capable of proper execution.
You said wrong, because there are THREE options, the third one being that while he is capable of recruiting athletes capable of executing properly, and he is capable of coaching them to execute properly, he hasn't had time to coach this young team properly.
There is a consequence of losing so many players early to the draft. Why can't anyone seem to realize this?
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:57 am to monsterballads
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State also had a large number of backups in there
that's not true
Well the announcers disagree with you and so do my eyes as I just found some footage of at least 4 second string defenders on the field when Jennings was sacked on the goalline. And I could only really see the front 7
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and were mailing it in on D. That was flukish.
not true either
So they weren't playing soft and it wasn't flukish what happened at the end?
And do you or do you not agree with the first part of my previous post about offensive adjustments?
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:59 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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There is a consequence of losing so many players early to the draft. Why can't anyone seem to realize this?
I do and I put a majority of our defensive woes to that especially on the DL. However on offense our plans are more scheme/philosophy related than simply just saying "we are young"
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:59 am to etm512
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They are paid to make necessary adjustments to score points in order to keep with the other team that is scoring points though. You can hope your defense won't get torched but if that starts to happen, you are going to have to open it up a bit sooner rather than later.
And 9 times out of ten, he does. The problem is that he is dealing with a young team which we all seemed to accept in the off-season, yet suddenly we have conveniently forgotten.
Is it Les Miles fault that so many players left early for the draft?
Yes.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:59 am to WildTchoupitoulas
i just dont think the formations and what we run is the problem, it is the frequency on first down is the problem. And we know that with a capable qb we spread it out on first down like we did last year, but even with that offense the d wasnt good enough to win them all. And it certainly isnt this year either.
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