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re: Miles Says Offensive Scheme Is Not The Problem
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:00 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:00 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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he hasn't had time to coach this young team properly.
There is a consequence of losing so many players early to the draft. Why can't anyone seem to realize this?
Funny, Alabama lost the same number of players. they arent having trouble. Several other SEC teams lost major pieces. They arent having trouble....
can you answer me why we are, and they arent?
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:02 am to CptBengal
IDK? bama struggled against wvu. not so much against UF, but muschamp is dead in the water. So yeah maybe they are a little bit better than us, idk until we play them or until they get spanked by Dak. They have serious problems in the secondary. Because they lost a lot of talent to the nfl as well.
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 11:04 am
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:05 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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And 9 times out of ten, he does
Well this time we didn't and it was painfully obvious we should have.
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The problem is that he is dealing with a young team which we all seemed to accept in the off-season, yet suddenly we have conveniently forgotten.
It's way more than just that. At some point you are going to have to trust the young kids to make plays and call plays that have a high percentage of actually working, especially if we pride ourselves on being an NFL pipeline. This is something we will have to deal with like other teams do.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:06 am to Topwater Trout
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and scored 3 pts
One of the greatest games in the history of Tiger Stadium saw LSU score 0 points in the first half, winning the game 7-6.
The Game of the Century saw LSU only score 3 points in the first half - which they won 9-6.
Fortunately there are two halves to a game.
Everyone was so certain that LSU would shut down State's offense just like they did Oregon, A&M, and Auburn. It didn't happen. But rather than admit they were wrong, they would rather blame the offense for the loss.
I'm not saying that there weren't problems on offense, not being able to get the ball in from the 1 was a problem, that clusterfrick to end the 1st half was a problem. But the BIGGEST problem was not being able to stop State's offense, and THAT is what lost the game. No one seems to want to admit to that fact, however.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:07 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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he hasn't had time to coach this young team properly.
what about the offensive line?
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:10 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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I'm not saying that there weren't problems on offense, not being able to get the ball in from the 1 was a problem, that clusterfrick to end the 1st half was a problem. But the BIGGEST problem was not being able to stop State's offense, and THAT is what lost the game. No one seems to want to admit to that fact, however.
There were clearly problems on both sides of the ball. But this thread is about the problems with the offensive scheme. I don't think you will find anyone here that says our DL isn't awful. They are. But for 58 minutes on offense, we were equally as bad.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:10 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Being young is no excuse for The whipping they received. Supposed to have the biggest and experienced offensive line around and they got dominated.
In response to your time of possession response , you can still get in the shotgun with three receivers and a tight end and run the ball, as well as the play clock. But neither you or les miles understand that apparently
In response to your time of possession response , you can still get in the shotgun with three receivers and a tight end and run the ball, as well as the play clock. But neither you or les miles understand that apparently
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:13 am to JETigER
Most of the know it all critics here are band geeks.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:14 am to WildTchoupitoulas
What has been the most consistent part of our team over the last 10 years?
The defense has carried this team for a while. Many fans and experts have been saying for years the offense has issues. Why can't we be consistent offensively? Teams with far less talent are much more productive year in year out with their offense...why is it wrong to want the offense to be better?
The defense has carried this team for a while. Many fans and experts have been saying for years the offense has issues. Why can't we be consistent offensively? Teams with far less talent are much more productive year in year out with their offense...why is it wrong to want the offense to be better?
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:15 am to etm512
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However on offense our plans are more scheme/philosophy related than simply just saying "we are young"
You have one QB that has started exactly 3 games in Tiger Stadium in his career, and the other one has zero starts. The philosophy is fine, and has won nearly 90% of the time for this staff:
Ball control, don't turn it over. "When you throw the ball, 3 things can happen..."
Wear the opposing defense down with the running game so that by the 4th qtr the yards are there.
This is an excellent approach for a young team - and apparently an excellent approach for putting players in the NFL. It is a bad approach for impatient fans who just want to see the ball in the air and safeties going after the QBs - and O/Us in the 90s.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:20 am to dgnx6
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i just dont think the formations and what we run is the problem, it is the frequency on first down is the problem. And we know that with a capable qb we spread it out on first down like we did last year, but even with that offense the d wasnt good enough to win them all. And it certainly isnt this year either.
I'll buy that.
Keep in mind that in the first half the Tigers were 2 of 3 passing on 1st down. One of those was a HB option for 44 yards. You set that pass up by running the ball so much.
That's the whole thing about 'tendencies', you have to look like you do one thing every time so that when you do something different, it takes the other team by surprise and you can spring a big play.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:24 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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That's the whole thing about 'tendencies', you have to look like you do one thing every time so that when you do something different, it takes the other team by surprise and you can spring a big play.
defenses must love game planning for LSU compared to all the other offenses out there.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:25 am to CptBengal
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can you answer me why we are, and they arent?
Ask at the end of the season and I'll answer.
Keep in mind, Alabama has had better recruits over the last 4 years than any other team in the country. They have had the number 1 class every year.
But yeah, I don't see UGA having trouble, or USCe, or UF, or UT... Right?
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:26 am to Topwater Trout
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what about the offensive line?
Are you kidding? That unit has a BRAND NEW coach.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:35 am to Topwater Trout
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The defense has carried this team for a while. Many fans and experts have been saying for years the offense has issues. Why can't we be consistent offensively? Teams with far less talent are much more productive year in year out with their offense...why is it wrong to want the offense to be better?
It's not wrong, it's just a different philosophy.
For nearly 10 years Miles has used a philosophy of conservative run-based offense, a stingy defense, and tight special teams. Other teams have much more wide open offensive attacks, and score a lot more points.
Les Miles Philosophy has won him more games than just about anyone else in the country since he's been at LSU. Why change philosophy? If you don't like that approach to offense, why not pull for another team that fits the style of football you prefer?
Last year we laughed at Auburn and A&M's offensive philosophies, now we want to emulate them?
One last thing: Last year we saw what the coaching staff is willing to do with an experienced QB. LSU set offensive production records for the school last year. Why does everyone seem to think that he can't do anything but run out of goal line formations? He CAN and he's proven that he WILL, when he has confidence in the players to execute properly.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:47 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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The philosophy is fine, and has won nearly 90% of the time for this staff:
When we have had a dominant defense and an OL that can dominate the defensive front. We have neither
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Ball control, don't turn it over.
You can spread a team out and run and do this
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"When you throw the ball, 3 things can happen..."
Has Jennings been throwing picks left and right? And I'm not calling for him to throw 40 times per game. I want us to use formation and misdirection to spread the D out at times and get them going one way and go the other at times as well. Not the old "line up and beat the man in front of you". We don't have the talent gap to do that this year so we need a scheme that will help create success
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Wear the opposing defense down with the running game so that by the 4th qtr the yards are there.
Hard to do that when you are repeatedly going 3 and out. Adjustments should have been made at half
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This is an excellent approach for a young team
If it works
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and apparently an excellent approach for putting players in the NFL.
If it works
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It is a bad approach for impatient fans who just want to see the ball in the air and safeties going after the QBs - and O/Us in the 90s.
If we are going to give up 30+, then yeah I want the O/U to be high which means we aren't getting shut down on O.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:54 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Last year we laughed at Auburn and A&M's offensive philosophies, now we want to emulate them?
I have never said I wanted this. Wanting to spread out a defense does not always mean what you think it does. I love running the ball but when teams are willing to stack the box trying to take away your strength coaches should make changes or at least try something different. my suggestion is going to 3-4 wr sets forcing the defense to spread out and then running the ball b/w the tackles. I like our oline against 5 man fronts more than 8.
If the defense decides to not spread out you can throw the ball to wide open wr's when the ball is snapped. We ran from the spread formation against wisconsin and it worked...why not try it again?
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:56 am to Topwater Trout
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I have never said I wanted this. Wanting to spread out a defense does not always mean what you think it does. I love running the ball but when teams are willing to stack the box trying to take away your strength coaches should make changes or at least try something different. my suggestion is going to 3-4 wr sets forcing the defense to spread out and then running the ball b/w the tackles. I like our oline against 5 man fronts more than 8.
If the defense decides to not spread out you can throw the ball to wide open wr's when the ball is snapped. We ran from the spread formation against wisconsin and it worked...why not try it again?
Ding ding ding
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:57 am to MontanaTiger
This really isn't a crack against Miles because every football coach has said this from time immemorial but it is the same old "every play is designed to gain yards if executed correctly". It is like saying we could all be millionaires if we just made the right decisions. But coach isn't it easier to step around a wall instead of trying to run through it?
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:57 am to Topwater Trout
I just wish LSU would cater more to our players' talents than trying to plug them into our tired old offensive scheme.
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