re: Miles ranked 28th in Rivals?

yeah but it is embarassing to lose to Arkansas in the last game of the season at home knowing your supposed to be playing your best for the homestretch. They were damn lucky West Virginia got upset. you gotta stop with the our best players were hurt during the second half of the season excuses because that is what it is, excuses.

point taken, but me 'jumping off of miles bandwagon' does not mean i'm a fair weather fan. I'm just not a miles fan. i didn't want them to hire him in the first place b/c there were better coaches out there at the time and i was hoping he went to michigan in 07. 2 things about your argument w/carroll though i want to point out also. 1) usc's loss to ucla was a rivalry game and we all know anything can happen there. even though LSU and ark are bordering states it is anything but a rivalry. you cannot lose to a double digit underdog at home w/the national championship in your sights. 2) usc's loss to ucla was their 1st and only loss while ark was LSU's 2nd after they had already loss to KY who was is another middle of the road sec team. like i said earlier miles can make me a believer with a 10-2 or better season this year.

Again, I'm not defending the Arkensas loss as if it wasn't a total meltdown, and a devastating loss for me as an LSU fan, but considering the series and the way games have played out, it has most definatly become a rivalry game in the past 15 years, and I would have to disagree with your point.

#1)Again, Petey did the same exact thing, maybe worse. The game was in LA, although in the Rose Bowl, very much partisan USC crowd saw a USC team that was favored by more points than we were to Arkansas only score 7 points against a pathetic UCLA defense. C'mon dawg, you can't tell me that wasn't as big a let down or worse with National championship implications win-and-your-in scenario playing out for them.

And as for as LSU-Arkansas not being a rivalry game full of anything could happen gut-renching games were you not watching? when

In 2002:: Didn't Saben Lose a devastating, last second loss at the hands of freaking Matt Jones last second Drive against Arkansas in 02? It's not like we wern't playing for the SEC west and a sec Title birth in that game and the stakes wern't huge there as well?

I would even like to argue that Arkansas team 02 who Georgia curbstomped the next week would have its hands more than full against Mcfadden and the 07 Arkansas team. Point is it's not like Nutt hadn't had success and given us plenty of scares before 07, and that was your boy Saben, not Miles

#2 For instance, Look at the 01,05,06 games where we barely won nailbiters against them as very high ranked, more talented teams. Then look at us beating them in 99 with no head coach and them coming in Top 15 in the country. I would call that a highly competitive, anything could happen rivalry series, obviously without the long history and longevity of the USC-UCLA series, but quite the bitter intense rivalry none the less.

Your right about that being 2 triple over time losses for LM while Petey only had that one regulation one, but the fact is LM took advantage of his opportunities and the fact that he was playing in the SEC where you get beat up week in and week out helped not only Miles get IN the NC in 07 but also kept PETEY OUT in 06 because of the national perception of a 1 loss florida team out of the SEC was more respected than a 1 loss USC team out of the PAC-10. Kinda interesting to think about.

I get where your coming from man, we just have two slightly different perspectives I guess.

I'm with you on Miles making a believer of me this year if he bounces back with an outstanding season, but people need to stop underestimating Pac 10 football because everytime an SEC is matched up with one of their teams they get embarrassed, like UCLA did Tenn last year.

tubucoco, If your referring to my comments about the perception of the SEC being better overall than the PAC-10 I don't see how you can argue with that perception not being real and not helping both LSU and Florida get into their NC games.

I wasn't saying it's true (although I think I could make a decent argument in the past decade year end and year out), my point was this overal perception the past couple years has been gradually accepted more and more by the media and has proven benefecial to the SEC when you look at the facts leading up to the deciding factors of who would play in the NC in the past serveral years

Yeah, I agree! Rivals =

Not doubting the SEC's toughness and superiority over the other conferences, I'm just sayin that people think sometimes that the Pac 10 is a patsy conference outside of USC, it's not.

I've never seen another champoinship team close out the season like LSU did also, if your a top program like they are you plug in those injured or whatever positions with other top talent and keep rollin, so the we were hurt late in the season thing when your contending for an NC doesn't jibe to well. They were fortunate to be voted back into contention, case in point, I could use USC with Booty like you mentioned, they lost to UCLA last game of the season with the chance to play for the NC, but they didn't get voted back into contention to play in the big game like LSU did.

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you gotta stop with the our best players were hurt during the second half of the season excuses because that is what it is, excuses.

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Says the guy who is full of excuses for Saban era losses.

Absolutely ridiculous.

not bitcin about it, just pointing out fact that LSU was fortunate to be voted back into contention to play in the MNC against Ohio State, how is that bitchin?

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We've seen how you don't care about results, just scheme.

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results? don't go there again, you know a team moving the ball at will against Pelini's scheme is not results, I grant you when they got in the red zone they had a hard time scoring, but that is the whole basis of your argument, I'll take Saban's blitz pressure in your face making you react fast and in the process make mistakes anytime, but really I am tired of doing this, just let it go. I'll say you don't give up you stubborn bastard.