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re: Miles only reasonable choice
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:49 am to ccomeaux
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:49 am to ccomeaux
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Stop for a second, take a breath.
Listen closely... the NCAA does not govern eligibility based on criminal activity. The NCAA governs such things as recruiting, grades and medical status.
For example - Masoli, despite his multiple run ins with the law played for 2 D1 schools as did Newton just last year. In contrast, Miami has over a dozen players that may be ineligible for recieving inproper benefits from a booster but have not been arrested for anything.
You would think committing a crime would affect a players status but it doesn't, it's simply not part of the formula.
My post was about a great deal more than the NCAA, for Christ' sake. If you don't agree, fine, lets move on
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Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:51 am to ianfson1
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I see, I don't agree with you so I'm a dumb arse
It's not that you disagree with me. It's that you are completely ignorant of NCAA ruls and function yet continue argue despite several people pointing out said ignorance.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:54 am to ianfson1
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My post was about a great deal more than the NCAA
Yet you keep asking why everyone is so confident that the NCAA won't rule these guys ineligible.
As I said earlier, I agree with a lot of what you said, you just need to drop the NCAA argument because you are just flat out WRONG.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:54 am to ianfson1
tl;dr
you are uninformed and wrong
also think you might have a vagina. Sorry on phone, so no link.
you are uninformed and wrong
also think you might have a vagina. Sorry on phone, so no link.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 10:06 am to ianfson1
Too verbose for the Tigerdroppings crowd who are posting one liners from iPhones full of spelling and grammatical errors.
Fail.
Fail.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 10:07 am to ianfson1
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And you are?
A guy who reads through all the crap people continue to post about something that has yet to be proven.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 10:07 am to ianfson1
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four players "involved" in the bar fight will face some type of disciplinary action
according to some sources JJ wasnt involved at all soooooooo what then?
Posted on 8/24/11 at 10:08 am to ianfson1
Well said. Howeverk, I think the "legal" side of things will say that until someone is "charged" they can't be suspended. Net result, and a very possible one, is that the police won't charge anyone until after the game with Oregon. So it's likely no suspensions for the Oregon game.
That's just my guess.
That's just my guess.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 10:18 am to GoDucks349
"Net result, and a very possible one, is that the police won't charge anyone until after the game with Oregon. So it's likely no suspensions for the Oregon game.
That's just my guess."
Seems like a reasonable possibility, but I would like for Miles to be able to make a decision much sooner than the legal process may take. For example, come out and say that while the facts are being gathered, he is satisfied that the four were "invovled" to the extent that a one-game suspension is warranted. He could go on to say that "based on current information, we believe all four players are innocent of any criminal activity but our players are held to a higher standard. We will continue to gather information and let the legal process play out but as of now, the team is focusing on preparing the Oregon game and looks forward to having the 4 back from NW State."
caveat: if anyone (be it JJ or one of the others) truly was not involved at all in the fracas, exclude him from the suspension, but come out and say so.
I advocate this sort of response for two reasons: (1) to allow greater focus on preparing for Oregon, and (2) it will be good for the university and the program's reputation for some prompt action to be taken. there is the potential for someone being punished "too much" depending on how the facts play out, but Miles would only be committing to a one-game suspension.
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That's just my guess."
Seems like a reasonable possibility, but I would like for Miles to be able to make a decision much sooner than the legal process may take. For example, come out and say that while the facts are being gathered, he is satisfied that the four were "invovled" to the extent that a one-game suspension is warranted. He could go on to say that "based on current information, we believe all four players are innocent of any criminal activity but our players are held to a higher standard. We will continue to gather information and let the legal process play out but as of now, the team is focusing on preparing the Oregon game and looks forward to having the 4 back from NW State."
caveat: if anyone (be it JJ or one of the others) truly was not involved at all in the fracas, exclude him from the suspension, but come out and say so.
I advocate this sort of response for two reasons: (1) to allow greater focus on preparing for Oregon, and (2) it will be good for the university and the program's reputation for some prompt action to be taken. there is the potential for someone being punished "too much" depending on how the facts play out, but Miles would only be committing to a one-game suspension.
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Posted on 8/24/11 at 10:19 am to GoDucks349
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I think the "legal" side of things will say that until someone is "charged" they can't be suspended
THIS! I agree 100% with ya bro!
Everyone is going on tangents about what to do with the 4 players involved but NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVED yet. It is all allegations during an investigation. We must sit and wait until the police make an arrest before assuming anyone broke the law.
Remember, if the police do not find enough evidence to pursue the 4 players, that is the end of it! It is over and nothing more should come from it.
So We ALL need to wait and see what happens.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 10:22 am to ianfson1
Very well said.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 10:26 am to ianfson1
Folks.....there are NO NCAA infractions involved here!!!
Posted on 8/24/11 at 10:27 am to ianfson1
quote:You're assuming they actually did those "actions". We don't actually know what is or is not known by Miles. If he has specific, certain knowledge that these players did something illegal, then he might be inclined to follow an analysis similar to yours. If he has specific, certain knowledge that they violated team rules, he may be inclined to take action based on that. But we have no such knowledge. Thus, by your model, I could show up in Tuscaloosa on gameday and just make up a story of Trent Richardson and the entire Alabama defense beating the crap out of me the night before and Saban would "have" to sit them all for the game.
I realize that a lot of folks would have a problem with this because it appears to be unfair to the players involved, but they have some responsibility in this by putting themselves in this situation in the first place by their actions.
The presumption of innocence must be complete to be a true presumption of innocence. If you take the position that they deserve punishment just for "being there", then you have presumed them guilty of being there before that has been proven. Whether it ends up being true or not, and how likely it seems to be true at the moment, are not germane. In the justice system, until they are found guilty, punishing them for anything is completely inconsistent with the notion of a presumption of innocence.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 10:30 am to jrodLSUke
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The right call is to obtain facts, then make an informed decision. If this takes several days, so be it
absolutely. suspending players w/o the facts is irresponsible and definately a knee jerk reaction. sure, there are people inside and outside of LSU calling for the players heads and accusing LSU of being callous. acting against our players just to shut these people up is not right. me, i support LSU and those that represent LSU until i have proof that they don't deserve my support.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 10:31 am to ianfson1
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an NCAA investigation is involved
Not gonna happen.
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I suggest that Miles address the media/fans/alumni stating that while all the facts are not in
Not gonna happen.
If/when an arrest is made or all the evidence is in, Coach will address this issue. imo
He might already have made his decision as to who plays/how much and is simply holding that back for lots of valid reasons.
Why don't we just hold our water a tad longer and let it play out.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 10:34 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Why don't we just hold our water a tad longer and let it play out
Because if we all waited to see what happens before we gave our two cents about it, Tigerdroppings would cease to exist!
Posted on 8/24/11 at 11:10 am to King Joey
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You're assuming they actually did those "actions". We don't actually know what is or is not known by Miles.
The actions I was referring to was breaking curfew and hanging around a bar at 1:30 in the morning.
Sometimes that's the way life works, like it or not.
If they had not put themselves in this situation, we would not be having this conversation. I'm not saying this by itself is a reason to suspend them--only that if they are unhappy with what Miles we would forced to do give the circumstances, then they should have thought about this when they went out.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 11:12 am to tadelatt
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A guy who reads through all the crap people continue to post about something that has yet to be proven.
Thanks for your insight.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 11:14 am to tadelatt
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Because if we all waited to see what happens before we gave our two cents about it, Tigerdroppings would cease to exist!
Ok, so now its ok to give our 2 cents?!
Posted on 8/24/11 at 11:18 am to DEANintheYAY
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also think you might have a vagina
Well aren't you clever?
Bold talk from behind you cell phone---did the boss get pissy with you today? (assuming you have a job).
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