re: Miles Comparison

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a great chance of going below the .500 mark this weekend

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The statement above may be OK coming from Ole Miss faithful. 'Great chance' implies positive connotation. Nothing in your statement implies anything positive.

You fear, you suspect, worse you expect an LSU loss to Ole Miss.

What if (when) LSU wins? Does that automatically elevate Les Miles as a better coach?

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I honestly can't say what my "breaking point" would be until I get there, and I'm nowhere near there yet.

LSU under Les Miles won the NC in 2007, a year in which I believe Florida under Urban Meyer went 7-4 in the year following their 2006 NC. LSU was 8-5 last year, a very disappointing year to everyone, but there were many reasons for that decline: losing Bo Pelini, having to kick our star QB off the team and replacing him with 2 inexperienced freshman, and Miles' mistake of going with 2 defensive co-coordinators. (A mistake that Miles, to his credit, recognized and corrected for this year)

At 8-2 so far this year, with our only losses being tough, hard fought losses to #1 Florida and #3 Alabama, I am not so ready to throw in the towel as many Miles haters seem to be. Why don't you wait to see what the Tigers do in their last 3 games (OM, ARK and the bowl game) before declaring this year another failure?

That's the thing for me. It seems that a lot of plastic Tiger finds have a very low "breaking point". They can't take any disappointment at all and react bitterly when subjected to it. They have no patience, regardless of the circumstances, and refuse the reasonable request to give Les Miles the time he deserves to show that he can return LSU to the kind of form that won the SEC and National championships of 2007.

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I respect those comments and think you bring up some interesting points. I don't hate Miles. I don't think he is a top five coach in the SEC either.

LSU just seems to be a team that gets by based on talent (which is admittedly here as a result of Miles) and rarely, if ever, do you see us out coach someone.

There are so many mental mistakes. So many questionable series. I have talked with objective friends and collegues all over the country that enjoy and have knowledge of football. They all think the same thing about LSU. Great players helping the coaches look better than they are in reality.

That is my opinion and it would be my privilege to be proved wrong. If Miles turns it around and we win the SEC next year as many on here think we will, or if we win the west, or we can prove that we can beat Bama and Florida when they are at full strength, I will be more than happy to come on here and admit that I am wrong.

However, it is my personal belief (which may be way off base) that we are more likely to be firing Miles in the next three years than winning an SEC or National Title under him.

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just curiuos doc........... do u consider u myer, p carrol, j tressel, b stoops, m brown elite coaches?

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I would rate Meyer and Saban as probably the top two coaches because they win consistently and have built down programs in the SEC. Saban has revitalized two down SEC programs in the last decade and brought one a national title and may do the same with the other. Meyer is within view of his third national title and coaches in the SEC. The fact that this is performed in the SEC makes them greater in my mind.

I would put Carrol and Tressel on a lower rung due to conference and the losses they seem to have every year. I may even place Tressel above Carroll. I am not too sure Carroll could have the success he has had outside of Los Angelas...he is a perfect fit in that environment.

Brown is not, and has not been, all that impressive to me. Brown and Stoops are similar to me. Stoops is suffering from really bad luck this year with his top two players being out most of the season. I would probably place Stoops above Brown. I think Brown is perhaps on a par or a touch better than Miles.

I think there are unproven coaches out there that may be in the league of all of the aforementioned coaches if given the opportunity. Patterson and Kelly come to mind. I still think Butch Davis at a school like LSU could be quite deadly.

So, in summary, I think Miles is probably a Top 10 to 15 coach. However, I would like to believe that LSU is better than just a Top 10 or 15 school. I realize that is asking a lot and that there will be down years. However, LSU has certain distinct advantages that most programs can only dream of. As such, I hold them to a high standard.

His body language and confusion on the sideline would indicate otherwise...

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So you are a body language expert also? Have you ever even had a one on one conversation with the man? My guess is no. He is a VERY smart man, smarter than you or I?

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By the framing of your 4th grader like response (my daddy could beat up your daddy), I am guessing you are either not that bright yourself, or may be in fact Les Miles (which if that is that case I refer back to the "you might not be that bright yourself" statement aforementioned).

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So you are a body language expert also? Have you ever even had a one on one conversation with the man? My guess is no. He is a VERY smart man, smarter than you or I?

By the framing of your 4th grader like response (my daddy could beat up your daddy), I am guessing you are either not that bright yourself, or may be in fact Les Miles (which if that is that case I refer back to the "you might not be that bright yourself" statement aforementioned).

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What's the matter "doc"? You attack the man on points he didn't even make! He included himself in that but your narcissism blocked your ability to comprehend. Poor doc.

I agree with the poster above...you apparently are missing Saban's cock.

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may be in fact Les Miles (which if that is that case I refer back to the "you might not be that bright yourself" statement aforementioned).

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While I like Les Miles as a person and am happy to have man of his general decency and disposition representing LSU, I admit that his public speaking tends toward the cringe-worthy. A friend of mine said it best: "He doesn't have much to say and doesn't say it very well."

But I don't think that makes him stupid, as a person or a football coach. Many people know things that they can't articulate well. And in Miles' case, I suspect he has simply developed a habit of routine pablum responses like "We're striving for victory" that drive people up the wall.

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I would rate Meyer and Saban as probably the top two coaches because they win consistently and have built down programs in the SEC. Saban has revitalized two down SEC programs in the last decade and brought one a national title and may do the same with the other. Meyer is within view of his third national title and coaches in the SEC. The fact that this is performed in the SEC makes them greater in my mind.

I would put Carrol and Tressel on a lower rung due to conference and the losses they seem to have every year. I may even place Tressel above Carroll. I am not too sure Carroll could have the success he has had outside of Los Angelas...he is a perfect fit in that environment.

Brown is not, and has not been, all that impressive to me. Brown and Stoops are similar to me. Stoops is suffering from really bad luck this year with his top two players being out most of the season. I would probably place Stoops above Brown. I think Brown is perhaps on a par or a touch better than Miles.
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WOW. Just wow. According to this there are perhaps two worthy college coaches in the country. For the record, Saban has 1 NC, Meyer has two (and for the record, inherited good talent), Miles has one, Stoops has 1 and 3 other NC appearances and Brown has 1. These men have coached the teams that have been the elite programs for the last 8-10 years.

My guess is that you would rate Bear Bryant as average because he only won SEC Championships in 13 of his 25 seasons.

I'm not sure why anyone has to compare Miles to Mack Brown or any other coach. Heck! Why don't we compare Mack Brown to Les?