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re: Mickey and Martin talk about future after the game
Posted on 3/20/15 at 8:59 am to Woodman
Posted on 3/20/15 at 8:59 am to Woodman
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Likewise, Martin really needs to develop a touch from 8 to 15 feet away.
He is still going to get drafted in the 1st round. Staying a year in college to work on jump shooting does not happen these days.
I think Mickey has a good chance of returning while Martin is 90% gone.
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Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:00 am to Nuts4LSU
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Neither of them could play in the NBA today, but there's no reason to stay, either. If there were some chance of developing their games more and maybe getting better by staying another year, it'd be worth it. But that's not happening at LSU. All they'll be next year is another year older, but no wiser or better.
That's ridiculous. Martin is ready. And, he's developed a ton since he got here. Crazy to suggest otherwise.
Mickey also took a huge step between last year and this year. I mean, he was basically an SEC POY candidate 3/4ths of the way through the conference schedule.
Your post was terrible.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:01 am to Nuts4LSU
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If there were some chance of developing their games more and maybe getting better by staying another year, it'd be worth it. But that's not happening at LSU
Wait, what? So what you are saying is that Martin has not improved from last year?
Both need to improve their game and coming back would do that no matter who they are playing for.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:03 am to bwallcubfan
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There couldn't be a worse lasting impression for a player looking to go pro than what Mickey did last night.
if someone put together a video of the last 4 or 5 times Mickey touched the ball last night, including the foul shots it might go down as the ugliest series of events ever.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:10 am to Woodman
Unless Mickey plans on playing abroad and just wants to earn a paycheck doing what he does best and loves to do, there's no way he can leave.
Martin will get drafted, can't blame him at all if he goes.
We've got 3 possibly 4 very, very good players coming in next year, with Quarterman, Hornsby, Gray and Patterson returning, and returning HUNGRY. We'll be fine regardless.
Martin will get drafted, can't blame him at all if he goes.
We've got 3 possibly 4 very, very good players coming in next year, with Quarterman, Hornsby, Gray and Patterson returning, and returning HUNGRY. We'll be fine regardless.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:41 am to Minnesota Tigah
Both can go to Europe, get paid, and work on their games at a professional level. And, more than likely, get a better coach to help them improve, too.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:43 am to Keltic Tiger
I don't think this is the best route if there goal is to have a career in the NBA. How many US players have successfully done this?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:43 am to Keltic Tiger
I'm curious as to what kind of money is the potential for them ... Jordy Hultberg (fwiw) mentioned "taking care of their families".
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:09 am to schwartzy
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Mickey needs to improve his shooting game if he wants to be in the nba
And where do you think he can do a better job of working on it...at LSU, or in the D league getting paid?
The thought that Mickey needs to stay because he isn't ready and Martin should because he is more ready is way off.
If anything, Mickey can't do much to improve his stock by coming back and Martin can likely guarantee a multi year 1st round deal (possible lottery).
Mickey won't come back and develop a perimeter game, what he is this year is what he will be next year and is a project for anyone who drafts him.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:11 am to Minnesota Tigah
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Martin will get drafted, can't blame him at all if he goes.
If he doesn't get drafted in the first round, it is a terrible mistake to leave early. Mickey wouldn't get drafted in the first if he stayed 4 more years at LSU.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:11 am to Sammobile
I don't think either are finished products yet. Martin, as of the last month, has JUST started to scratch the surface of his potential. He could get drafted in the 1st round based on that potential, but IMO he has a long way to go before he can become a realistic contributor for a NBA team. He could definitely improve by coming back. The only problem is that you have a legitimate one-and-done player (Simmons) coming in to take his role. If Simmons is everything he's projected to be, he's already ahead of Martin in skill level. Therefore, the question is how much more could he grow with another big-time player on the team who does the exact same things as he?
In January I though that Mickey was no-doubt leaving and that he had probably gotten close to his ceiling at LSU. I didn't really think that there was much room for him to grow at LSU. That's changed. This last month has really hurt is draft stock. While Martin's role could likely be replaced by Simmons, LSU has no one on the roster to replace what Mickey brings to the table. I really think that with the way Simmons plays (very unselfish) coupled with the development of Quarterman and a potential HUGE recruiting class, there is still room for Mickey to grow as a player. I think he's had his mind made up for a while that he was "not long" for LSU, but hopefully he looks at a guy like JOBIII and reconsiders.
If he comes back his role on this team doesn't change at all. He will just be playing with more potential NBA prospects than he has in the last 2 years. Plus, LSU should get much more national exposure next year if, for nothing else, their highly touted Freshman.
In January I though that Mickey was no-doubt leaving and that he had probably gotten close to his ceiling at LSU. I didn't really think that there was much room for him to grow at LSU. That's changed. This last month has really hurt is draft stock. While Martin's role could likely be replaced by Simmons, LSU has no one on the roster to replace what Mickey brings to the table. I really think that with the way Simmons plays (very unselfish) coupled with the development of Quarterman and a potential HUGE recruiting class, there is still room for Mickey to grow as a player. I think he's had his mind made up for a while that he was "not long" for LSU, but hopefully he looks at a guy like JOBIII and reconsiders.
If he comes back his role on this team doesn't change at all. He will just be playing with more potential NBA prospects than he has in the last 2 years. Plus, LSU should get much more national exposure next year if, for nothing else, their highly touted Freshman.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:15 am to tiger91
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I'm curious as to what kind of money is the potential for them ... Jordy Hultberg (fwiw) mentioned "taking care of their families".
Depends on where they are drafted. First round picks have their contacts guaranteed, while those selected in the second round don't.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:17 am to bwallcubfan
The statement that they are NBA ready is a complete joke. Neither of them play at clutch time, and they need to shoot free throws. Last night was a great example of our entire season, this is the most up and down team I have ever seen and a team that plays no inside defense. Mickey is a I'll wait and try to block the shot guy.
Good luck in the NBA.
Good luck in the NBA.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:19 am to Nissanmaxima
Martin should go. He has all the tools. Just needs a little more arc on his mid range game and he could be unstoppable
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:19 am to LSUfan4444
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while those selected in the second round don't
Think we're talking several hundred thousand? Can they get insurance for next year if they return to LSU and get injured?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:20 am to Sammobile
I didn't see any first round NBA players this season. They both need to stay in school and improve their games.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:21 am to Sammobile
Well, I would think their current financial situations will be the deciding factor. I have no idea if they come from money or not, but money does talk, I heard it before
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:27 am to BGSB
A lot of guys who get drafted, even in the first round, are not NBA ready. A lot of guys get drafted on potential and perceived upside, because there just isn't as great a supply of ready talent in the NBA draft as there is, say, for the NFL draft. And some guys leave early, regardless of how unprepared they are, because they don't want to be in school one day longer than they feel they have to be.
Martin is more ready than Mickey. Both need work. But how much more will they develop at LSU compared to getting paid to continue their development?
We say Mickey needs to come back to expand his game for the NBA. But at the same time, we don't want him doing the things that would require. And with Simmons coming in, Mickey would likely play the same role should he return. Which won't do anything for helping him expand his shooting range and ball handling for the next level.
Martin is more ready than Mickey. Both need work. But how much more will they develop at LSU compared to getting paid to continue their development?
We say Mickey needs to come back to expand his game for the NBA. But at the same time, we don't want him doing the things that would require. And with Simmons coming in, Mickey would likely play the same role should he return. Which won't do anything for helping him expand his shooting range and ball handling for the next level.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:32 am to BGSB
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Well, I would think their current financial situations will be the deciding factor. I have no idea if they come from money or not, but money does talk, I heard it before
I don't know about Mickey, but Martin doesn't come from money. He has siblings he wants to help take care of. I heard this back in December from a relative real close to him. He told us this was Jarell's last year. I hope he change his mind.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:33 am to BGSB
38. BOSTON CELTICS
Jordan Mickey, PF, LSU: Mickey is a better prospect than his teammate (Jarell Martin) even if his teammate was more heralded coming out of high school.
Signed: Gary Parrish, CBSSports.com College Basketball Inside
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Jordan Mickey, PF, LSU: Mickey is a better prospect than his teammate (Jarell Martin) even if his teammate was more heralded coming out of high school.
Signed: Gary Parrish, CBSSports.com College Basketball Inside
LINK
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 11:36 am
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