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lsu1919
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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He deserved the Heisman in 2015. That does not mean he was better than Fournette



My point is that these two statements contradict each other. So which one is it? And really it doesn't matter now because it's over and done.


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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
So now you are saying that LF should have won the trophy over Henry??????


lsufball19
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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Henry ran for less than 100 yards 5 times
LF ran for less than 150 yards just 3 times

Going into the Heisman ceremony,

Henry had 4 200 yard games
Fournette had 3 200 yards games

All of Henry's 200 yard games were against SEC teams
Only one of Fournette's was

It also matters how you finish. Henry rushed for 200 yards in 3 of his last 5 games, and 189 in another. All three of those sub 150 yard games Fournette had were in the last 4 weeks of the season.

Our fans might not like it but when two guys are competing for the Heisman and face each other H2H in November, and one goes for 31 yards on 17 carries and the other for 210 on 38 carries, it's going to be a big deal. I understand Henry didn't have to run on Alabama, but everyone knew after that game Fournette lost the Heisman. We can talk all day about whose fault it was that Fournette only rushed for 31 yards on 18 carries or this, that and the other, but you can't call a guy who rushed for as many yards as Henry did as undeserving. An undeserving Heisman winner would be someone like Eric Crouch, Mark Ingram, or Troy Smith.


lsufball19
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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My point is that these two statements contradict each other.

No they don't. Being a better player and having a better season are not mutually exclusive.


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Rickdaddy4188
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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Henry had 4 200 yard games 


2 of which were 38 carries and 47 carries

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Our fans might not like it but when two guys are competing for the Heisman and face each other H2H in November, and one goes for 31 yards on 17 carries and the other for 210 on 38 carries, it's going to be a big deal. 


and it's retarded. LF was going against the best run defense in cfb and Henry went up against a defense that gave up 21 points to all but 2 teams.


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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
Ricky posting a defense of Les miles?


Water. Wet.


lsufball19
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
They don't award the Heisman based on ypc. I don't know what you want me to say. Fournette lost the Heisman because he fell off the last month of the season while Henry dominated. I think people are upset because he was in poisition and failed not because Henry didn't deserve it. If the roles were reversed I think our fans would argue differently


Rickdaddy4188
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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So now you are saying that LF should have won the trophy over Henry?????? 


unlike you I actually post what I mean to post. I'm just pointing out the case that LF had a case for the Heisman.

Christian McCaffrey deserved it over both Henry and LF. HE broke Barry Sanders' all purpose record. a record many thought would never be broke
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Rickdaddy4188
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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They don't award the Heisman based on ypc


never said it did. but don't act like a 47 carry 200 yard game is the same as a 22 carry 200 yard game. how many 200 yard games would LF have if he got 30 carries a game?


Rickdaddy4188
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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Ricky posting a defense of Les miles? 


Water. Wet.


because it's retarded to say any rb was done a disservice by attending lsu.
if you said qbs,wrs,and pass catching tes were done a disservice then I'd agree but not a rb. that's just screams ignorance


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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
Now this I agree with....


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lsufball19
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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how many 200 yard games would LF have if he got 30 carries a game?

How many more yards would Henry have gotten if he ran more against OOC teams like Fournette did?

I guess I also missed the memo where the Heisman was awarded solely on raw stats
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
Boom......


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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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I was always surprised that Miles didn't try and use Fournette more in a passing game.
Quick fact.
LF had more rec in 3 games under Miles than the rest of 2016 combined.


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Rickdaddy4188
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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I guess I also missed the memo where the Heisman was awarded solely on raw stats


I'm simply saying a case can be made that LF deserved to win the Heisman too. everyone says that if it had had 100 yards against bama that he wouldve won it. that proves my point. 60 yards is the difference between LF being the favorite and not being invited.

as I said I think McCaffrey deserved it over both DH and LF.


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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU


Didn't read all the response but I'm sure someone has pointed out that Spears misspoke. LSU didn't do Leonard a disservice. It was the man in the white cap.


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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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I think it's easier or maybe more emphasis is placed on being creative on offense when you have lesser talent.


It's time to review the career of the following:

Percy Harvin
Darren McFadden


Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Urban Meyer created that offense during his time at Bowling Green or maybe Utah.

And I think the wildcat offense used by Arkansas was basically a concept developed by a HS coach. It was successful for them with McFadden, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis. Other teams including some NFL teams copied the scheme too and were successful running it for a time. They actually ran some wildcat with Fournette during the 2015 season, but it's not really considered creative anymore as defenses have studied it and are better prepared to defend it.


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dukke v
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
No that would be you... the dude downright owned you with his post.... fact....


Rickdaddy4188
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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU
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No that would be you... the dude downright owned you with his post.... fact....





except I never said LF deserved the Heisman over Henry. good god you can't even follow a basic conversation.
I didn't deny Henry had low carries against OOC teams you moron. unlike you I don't act like facts arent real.
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