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re: Many posters say the program's culture is deficient, but few define the problem or cure.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 4:59 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 11/29/20 at 4:59 pm to SammyTiger
It’s been a perfect storm of attrition, Covid, & coaching turnover, but hey, that’s not as sexy as conspiracy theories
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:00 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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My guess is that it all started with O choosing not to shite on trump, then Ryan Clark jumping in and making the issue 100 times worse. It's a total guess, but it makes sense when you piece together the timeline of certain things starting to happen.
The fix? I have no clue. The fix will probably be O getting fired, because the problem continues to spiral out of control. Or a few leaders of the team step up and side with Orgeron to put the fire out. Those leaders will have to have some sway with just about the entire team though, to get them to follow.
Well my question is why did he go on Fox news to start? Has Nick Saban ever, I mean ever, been on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, or wherever? Has Urban Meyer? He has 3 NC's, Dabo, he got 2.
Stupid PR move from the start. Why go there? Why put yourself in a position to have to even answer a question pro or con about a sitting President, who is highly controversial, in a contentious election year?
My view, bad, bad, bad, judgement on O's part and stupid move by LSU's PR department not telling him to not go.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:01 pm to DmitriKaramazov
Many will ridicule, but a coach with the mindset of Jeff Monken (Army’s head coach) with a solid, intelligent OC and DC, could do wonders at LSU with the talent that is always here. Not apples to apples, but he produces Men in his program because, in part, he’s very deliberate and principled.
And please note, I’m not advocating we run the option. I’m saying, use him as a CEO to develop culture and expectation of excellence on and off the field and hire great assistants.
And please note, I’m not advocating we run the option. I’m saying, use him as a CEO to develop culture and expectation of excellence on and off the field and hire great assistants.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:02 pm to DeltaDoc
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Not apples to apples, but he produces Men in his program because, in part, he’s very deliberate and principled.
He coaches at Army... you literally have to want to be in the Army to go there.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:04 pm to SammyTiger
You miss the point, but that’s not surprising around here.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:19 pm to DmitriKaramazov
when you stumble into a guy like Burrow, he makes the team about the team. there is a group identity
when guys like that aren't around, the culture seems to be individual-centric thinking to an extreme degree
the problem recruiter-first coaches like O run into is how to mix being a player's coach with creating a team atmosphere. it doesn't seem that O can do this very well on his own. Miles started out well with the team concepts but the wheels eventually fell off (he started the whole "3 years and NFL" culture that O claimed he could fix)
when guys like that aren't around, the culture seems to be individual-centric thinking to an extreme degree
the problem recruiter-first coaches like O run into is how to mix being a player's coach with creating a team atmosphere. it doesn't seem that O can do this very well on his own. Miles started out well with the team concepts but the wheels eventually fell off (he started the whole "3 years and NFL" culture that O claimed he could fix)
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:22 pm to DmitriKaramazov
We can’t possibly know what the problem within the culture is. Because we’re not around the team. All we can see are the obvious symptoms of a toxic locker room.
I can’t possibly give you the cure when I don’t know what’s wrong. If I see someone bleeding out his ears I know he’s probably got a head injury but I can’t fix it without years of training and an MRI.
I can’t possibly give you the cure when I don’t know what’s wrong. If I see someone bleeding out his ears I know he’s probably got a head injury but I can’t fix it without years of training and an MRI.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:22 pm to Lester Earl
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It’s been a perfect storm of attrition, Covid, & coaching turnover, but hey, that’s not as sexy as conspiracy theories
O not being a great coach isn't a conspiracy theory
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:24 pm to tigerbru17
Fans participate in the culture.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:26 pm to DmitriKaramazov
Great post. The kids on this rant won’t like it. The advocates for go make money ( although you may not be ready) will hate this post.
It is the problem though. Clemson and Alabama return 4 year players a lot. And most of the time that is a good business decision for the player
It is the problem though. Clemson and Alabama return 4 year players a lot. And most of the time that is a good business decision for the player
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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O not being a great coach isn't a conspiracy theory
That’s more believable than some of these other things
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:42 pm to JKChesterton
THIS is a reasonable post.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:49 pm to DmitriKaramazov
Don't hire a simpleton to be your head coach. It starts there.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 5:52 pm to DmitriKaramazov
teams reflect the man at the top. When Ceo uprights himself the coaches and players will follow. It starts with O. When he changes team will change
Posted on 11/29/20 at 7:28 pm to DeltaDoc
It’s a dumb point.
Which is not surprising around here
Which is not surprising around here
Posted on 11/29/20 at 8:23 pm to JKChesterton
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Well my question is why did he go on Fox news to start? Has Nick Saban ever, I mean ever, been on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, or wherever? Has Urban Meyer? He has 3 NC's, Dabo, he got 2.
Stupid PR move from the start. Why go there? Why put yourself in a position to have to even answer a question pro or con about a sitting President, who is highly controversial, in a contentious election year?
Oh booohoo cry me a river. Not a surprising take from a TJ nut hugger. You literally keep saying this everywhere and I can’t help but feel like it has something to do with him getting his arse chewed out
This post was edited on 11/29/20 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 11/29/20 at 8:49 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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There have been a host of posters over the last two months asserting that the current culture of the LSU football program is toxic or rotten or inadequate.
A revolving door of administrators/coaches/assistant coaches does that. So does complacency. Scheme, philosophy, and ethic build football culture. LSU has had a whirl wind over the last 7 years. Personally, I think it starts with off-season training and accountability which falls on Moffit.
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However, I have seen very few posters attempt to explain HOW the culture is deficient or what the remedy should be.
It’s easy, everyone since Miles flashes NFL and Money in player’s faces. We have no identity, we have promises. When Miles was in office he worked the shite out the players and built a culture of work ethic and pride. Since his ultimate demise there has been a noticeable lack of control and sustainability. Orgeron walked in with the rah-rah and capitalized on the last drop of milk from the tit. He took a risk and hired young guns from local college and professional teams, took recommendations from storied coaches and captured lightning in a bottle. It was never a sustainable model, a in fact it’s a shite house made of glass. He goes out and recruits but can’t develop. He gives you the coach speak but can’t follow through. He plays favorites with coaches in the face of obvious incompetency. He fails to implement or innovate. We are a great defensive school historically, we have phenomenal in state talent, we have a well of a coaching tree to pull from. Wtf?
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For those of you believe the program culture has been corrupted, what is the precise issue and what do you view as the solution?
Clean house from top to bottom. I have a MS in Industrial Organizational Psych, to implement organizational/cultural change you have to either work from the bottom-up (e.g., players to coaches) or top-down (e.g., coaches-players). When a breakdown of an upheld baseline occurs usually one of the dimensions has failed drastically and are not mutually exclusive. In the situational interplay exampled, if the issue is player-focused (i.e., attitude, effort, or accountability) but not coaches, coaches can implement through tactful adjustments and see a progressive positive change throughout the season. In contrast, if the issue is coaching-focused (i.e., philosophy, leadership, or cognition) but not players, players will continue or fall short of an established baseline or regress regardless of player-player accountability. However, considering all the variables at play before the season and “2020” it’s hard to qualify anything. I personally believe the tip of the iceberg was the changes in coaching coupled with key leaders on both sides of the ball opting out. I think it’s quite understated how impactful it was that these players opted out considering the proximity to the season coupled with changes from key contributors at OC/DC. Orgeron really lost a handle on reality this off-season; his proclamations and his private life since the championship has exemplified that.
Now pay me $350 and enjoy the rest of the season, baw.
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