Many posters say the program's culture is deficient, but few define the problem or cure.

No one can explain. Good try though.

Identifying there’s a cultural issue is obvious. Figuring out how to regroup and overcome it is not the job of the fan. It’s the job of a millionaire paid to coach a team.

Pay me $7m a year and I’ll figure it out and fix it. What a stupid post.

For every Anthony Johnson and Malachie Dupre there is a La’el Collins, Tre White, DJ Chark and Kendall Beckwith.

Guys like Mingo, Montgomery, Minter,all came back for 4th years too. They l

Well, let’s see.

Problems:
- recruiting players with entire basis being the NFL (with little emphasis on character or growing them as men)...leads to many leaving early that are not ready because their mindset is and always has been leaving as soon as possible. You don’t see this as often at the elite programs like Bama and Clemson;
- you have players like Davis and Guice beating, and perhaps raping, with institutional protection;
- you have boosters converting charity money to recruiting money (if you don’t think O either knew or could have known, you are crazy); and
- you have key players opting out of the season because they have nothing to keep them there...there is no loyalty cultivated, so none is reciprocated.

Solutions:
- hire coaches that are men of character and discipline to coach these boys and mentor them to adulthood (greater than 50% of the players lack a father, or so I was told several years ago);
- have zero tolerance for bullshite;
- recruit with a purpose (see Saban’s methods); and
- build an expectation of professionalism through the program.

Like them or not, both Saban and Dabo have done this at their schools.

The issue started in his first season with lack of discipline and wanting to be a players coach. He was more concerned with only winning games to secure the job instead of the well being and education of young men as well.

The issue started with miles. Just using the program as a stepping stone to the nfl.

Saban has underclassmen go pro every year

LSU has the exact same model

O has successfully recruited Jrs back to school multiple times.


So which is it? Cant be both

NFLSU

Nice tool in recruiting, but it creates a culture where it's the only reason guys are here. No pride in LSU at all by many.

Catch 22 situation

Sure.

And that they just had the best season in CFB history