re: Mandatory Pitch Counts for College Pitchers?

kyle peterson is focused on the pros not college as much. He thinks colleges shouldn't ruin a players chances at a pro career because a coach wants to win a few games.

about the articles I wasn't at all convinced by the second article it didn't do a good job arguing. The for article talked about how in all other levels except college and pros there are pitch limits.

For me the reason I think there shouldn't be a pitch limit is because it takes to much away from the game. If they do things to speed up the game, protect players, etc. it should be something that doesn't take away from the core aspects of the game.

I think one classic example is this limiting of walk up songs (which no-one really focused on) it took away from the excitement of the game, the atmospher of the game, etc.

I think this pitch count thing could take away from the management that goes into a staff, rather than the coach managing the pitch count manages his staff. I think the best way to fix this stuff is not put a pitch count on this guy, but just try to get scouts presidents idk who but emphasize don't overuse your pitchers. If you have a coach who has a habit of overusing guys, punish them for it or try to get him to change.

this ulitmately comes down to caoches and players not some big whig in an office trying to decide what the best pitch count would be

I'm not an expert on what is reasonable vs unreasonable in terms of pitch counts and days of rest, but I wouldn't be opposed to a cap as long as it wasn't something silly like saying no pitcher can pitch 100 pitches in a game.

What the UNC coach did does seem like a shitty thing to do for sure. I'm just not sure how you would implement the limit. Gray threw like 120 pitches against us, and if he hadn't surrendered the lead, he would he might have gone a good bit higher.

I think maybe a rule that says that you can only pitch more than 30 pitches in one game in any 5 game time span might work. Then the UNC coach could have had his guy pitch 100 pitches and still have called on him in a jam the next day, but he would have been forced to keep his pitch count low for his second outing.

I'm sure this isn't a perfect solution, and I'll defer to the people with actual experience pitching. I'm just giving an idea of the type of rule that I'd support in principle.

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for LSU?

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negative

I must not be on the OT because there hasn't been a single "Blame Obama" yet.

Who was that Texas pitch who pitched all those extra innings? I believe it was 2009 in their Super Regional if I'm not mistaken?

Against it, for every third round draft pick, you have a kid who isn't going go play pro ball who has a rubber arm (determan) who can go out there and toss it everyday.

I'm against it. If the limit is practical for the vast majority of pitchers, then it imposes a restriction on freak-of-nature-athletes. For these gifted players, they won't get a chance to display the upper bounds of their endurance to scouts or help their team win (as much as they could). Teams should be allowed to reap the rewards of finding ridiculously strong athletes, not have their athletes' gifts administratively nerfed!

On the other hand, if the limit is high enough to properly accommodate everyone, then it will be too high to protect the arms of pitchers who wear out easily.

Therefore, a single scalar value will either: protect very few players or be unfair to some players and teams. So, I gotta say: definitely no.

To the guy asking about the 09 series wasn't that brooks kieschnick (sp?). I remember his pitch count one game was like 180

ETA so I was close on count horrible on year in 93 BK threw 172 pitches against OSU in a 6-5 game at the CWS

Against it for a couple reasons:
1) I don't trust the NCAA to enforce a reasonable limit, they'll put it at something stupid like 100 pitches.
2) Every pitcher is different. Some with their velocity and arm motion can throw alot more pitches without putting stress on their arm than those flame throwers.