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LSU's offensive game plan and my problems with it (very long)

Posted on 1/11/12 at 8:20 am
Posted by Tigerstark
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Posted on 1/11/12 at 8:20 am
Based upon the game on November 5, LSU decided to try and create space for the Bamma LBs to have to run around. Because of their size, we thought we could create match-up problems on the turf with our speed advantage over their LBs(didn't happen) and we thought we could tire them out from making them run around (we didn't have the ball nearly long enough for this to have a chance).

Witness the multiple usage of the standard I formation 2 WR and a TE personel (or similar pro-set) morphed into the spread formation. Since Bama does a lot of situational substitution, the hope would be when they see our players come out for the huddle, they would stay in base 3-4 and we would then spread them out.

Deangelo Peterson was split very wide a number of time as the only WR on his side creating a three WR set. Interestingly, LSU would put Randle in the slot on this play to try and get him matched up against a Safety at worst and possibly a LB.

Our 280 FB Copeland had almost as many plays lined up as a WR as our leading wide receiver from the first Bama game, Russell Shep.

We even tried a little no huddle to prevent Bama from substituting (they may not have even done that since they were doing just fine) and to try and tire them out more.

In simple terms, I believe Jefferson had inside and outside run possibilities (including the read option and sprint option) he could audible to depending upon how spread out the Bama D was. Our blocking was so piss-poor and the decisions by Jefferson to keep were so poor that these never had a real shot. We were in second and long all night. Jefferson reverted to his 2009 and 2010 option form and the number of times the "optioned" defender made the tackle on the RB was sickening. Dropped snaps and 5 yard penalties killed us too.

When it came to passing, we would do a lot of quick throws using the space open to us (Slants to the WR as the Bama LBs were spread out, to the backs out of the backfield when the Bama player had vacated the flat following the slanting WR or other pattern). Jefferson was actually 6 for 7 in the first half, but it netted him only 26 yards. Of course, two of his throws were so close to being pick-6s the crowd reacted to the possible pick ( I sat in a mixed Bama/LSU section). We got what we wanted here match-up wise (no one lined up over Randle, a Bama CB lined up on Peterson and even Copeland (when they were in a zone)) and it still didn't work.

My problems with this game plan -

1. LSU, with Jefferson under center, has problems executing the offensive plays they've been running since spring practice. Why they thought they could put players in unfamiliar circumstances and execute plays like that is beyond me. In the end, the throws were averaging 4 yards a pop and the runs less than that. So we needed every play to work just enough to have a chance for a first down. Dropped snaps, false-starts, etc. killed us here. Second and third and longs were impossible to convert, especially when the pass routes for these downs were run well short of any first down marker.

Contrast that with Bama - no newplays really, they just broke tendencies and threw Play Action rollouts constantly. Easy throws which got Mccaron confident and into the game. Bama had second and five so often that converting first downs and sustaining drives was made easy.

2. With Bama jumping the short slants, etc., i never once saw us try a slant and go or a pump fake to a slant and then hit the crossing TE (or WR) behind the Bama LBs that had jumped the slant. They were taking away something we were doing, but it left space for us to try things. Its beyond me that we don't try and take advantage of what they were giving us. This may have been difficult because Jefferson is not a guy who can anticipate someone being open very often. (as a side note - we did have WRs open during the game at times, but either the pass rush was onto us or Jefferson was not looking at that WR at the time).

3. Our best play call of the night was the 3rd and 18 pass to Landry. With a good throw (or longer protection) he could have scored. It was one of the few times I saw multiple LSU WRs running routes downfield on the same play. At some point, I would have just spread it out to four Wide, have all four run a seam route, and tell Jordan he has 2.5 seconds to pick the best match-up and throw it or pull it down and run - don't wait a damn second longer. At least it would have made bama adjust to longer routes and would have been aggressive offensive football instead of whatever it is we did.

4. Individual players were having trouble executing and we let multiple 5th year seniors with a good amount of SEC experience sit on the bench. Shaw and Hebert are not our best OL (or close to it), but clearly Hurst, Blackwell, etc were not getting it done - to not even see if these guys could get it done for a series was stupid. Could Shaw whiff on the BAma DE? Sure, but would that have let the De get to the QB any faster than Hurst's whiffs? The Lee part of things has been discussed ad naseum so I won't get into that much other than to wonder why Miles continues to base it on Jeffersons legs, which only resulted in ONE positive play/scramble for a first down the entire night ( so we got four quarters of sub-par executing and leadership for the benefit of one first down). If you're worried about Lee and the pass rush, max protect with 2 and 3 man routes and see what you can hit. Tell Lee to throw it away the second he knows no one is open.

5. There was no back-up plan. We later tried some of our power plays, which had "some" success. A three yard or seven yard Hillard run (the seven yarder coming with Bama probably confused as to why we were running in the fourth quarter). Had we run these earlier, 2nd and 7 would have been much better than 2nd and 11 plus our executing may have been better as we continued it. Play-action will also work better, though Jefferson's PA fakes are laughable.

6. FB dive on third and four in the fourth quarter. I fully believe each of the offensive coaches (and Miles) should have to donate their BCS bowl bonuses to charity (or the LSU Forever thing) for this play alone. I don't even care that it looks like Jefferson audibled to this. It should not have been an option with Copeland lined up at the spot and on one of the biggest downs of the year.


Posted by TigerinCharlotte
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/11/12 at 8:32 am to
Enjoyed reading that. Agree with you completely, especially #3. And of course the run with Copeland. WTF was that!?

At about 5mins left in the 3rd quarter, I would have thrown the damn kitchen sink at them. I would have run Shep out of the Wildcat, thrown deep, etc. However, there was no fight. Nothing. It's f'ing mind boggling and still pisses me off! I can't figure it??
Posted by Tigerstark
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Posted on 1/11/12 at 8:46 am to
I would love to hear a recording of our coaches headset communication during the game just to know what they he'll they even talked about doing...
Posted by TigerinCharlotte
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Member since Sep 2008
1266 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 8:52 am to
As would I. Would really love to know what the hell they were thinking?!?!
Posted by Weizenman
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/11/12 at 8:55 am to
quote:

At about 5mins left in the 3rd quarter, I would have thrown the damn kitchen sink at them.


Exactly my point, why the eff did we not even TRY to do something exotic, something to add a spark? Was it fear of making a bad play?? At that point it didn't really matter, I am bewildered and befuddled that we made ZERO effort to change the game plan. It is like running into a brick wall over and over expecting it to crumble. At some point you have to try and jump over the wall.
The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Posted by TigerinCharlotte
Charlotte, NC - The Queen City
Member since Sep 2008
1266 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 8:58 am to
I know it man, I can't figure. It's driving me nuts.

I mean Christ, you're exactly right...."At that point it didn't really matter". That's exactly right. Damn, go down fighting. Anything. But don't crawl up in a ball and die. Jesus!
Posted by ramchallenge
Member since Nov 2009
2992 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:02 am to
great analysis!
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:16 am to
Our team was dominated up front. Impossible to execute much of anything when that happens.
Posted by How I Roll
Paradise City
Member since Dec 2011
1785 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:19 am to
Was there a game plan. It pissed me off when Hurst didn't even pick up on the LB lined up on his side and the off sides penalties. The O-line played like shite!
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162230 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:21 am to
quote:

Our team was dominated up front. Impossible to execute much of anything when that happens.


There are things that can be done. Protection schemes can be changed. You can use misdirection, quick throws. We made no adjustments and we got our asses handed to us because of it.
Posted by brichard
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
954 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:24 am to
quote:

The O-line played like shite


Do you think they were sending Jefferson and Miles a message?

Sadly, Jefferson is not "Steamin" Willie Beaman!

Yeah, i watcehd "Any Given Sunday" the other day!
Posted by yallallcrazy
Member since Oct 2007
761 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:28 am to
This.

Also, until mid 4th quarter we were 1 big play away from being right back in it, and one negative big play away from a blowout.

Seems like the coaching staff was trying to avoid the negative big play and just waiting to get the positive one rather than creating it.

So far this year it has always come. Simple run play breaks loose ( like Richardson's TD), punt return, etc.

So yes I fault the game plan, but more over the last 10 minutes. At that point, giving up more points was irrelevant.

Only thing was, I.m not sure we could have thrown it downfield with either QB. There was minimal time. JJs throw to Landry is a good example--- fairly quick throw for a semi-deep pass, yet he was going down as he threw.
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
3943 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:41 am to
I read an article on tigerbait about the confused gameplan. Alabama simply showed something that confused not only the QB, the o-line, and the RBs but also the OCs which is key. It would have been nice to see them call an unbalanced formation to see how Alabama would react or like Tigerstark suggested just spread the defense out with a 1-back set and figure out what they were doing.

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Posted by wilks28
Texas
Member since Mar 2006
312 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:46 am to
The most concerning thing to me is that even though JJ is gone, we still have the brainiacs who couldn't make adjustments. Mett could light it up next year but if we hit a wall like we did against Bama same thing will happen unless something changes.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14663 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:48 am to
quote:

Tigerstark

Nice analysis. I just wonder why if you can figure all of this out, how come our coaching staff couldn't. This is a mystery that I'm sure we'll never get an answer to.
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
3943 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:57 am to
quote:

Nice analysis. I just wonder why if you can figure all of this out, how come our coaching staff couldn't. This is a mystery that I'm sure we'll never get an answer to.


I believe we're right where we were with the co-defensive coordinator issue. We either need an OC in the off-season or an o-line coach so Stud can focus solely on the offensive game plan and execution.
Posted by yallallcrazy
Member since Oct 2007
761 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:03 am to
I'm not sure there was much to adjust given how we were being beat at the line of scrimmage all night.

Deep passing would have helped, but I'm not sure we could have got them off, even with Lee out of the shotgun. Maybe.

The only thing may have been some screens, but it looked like the back were being covered pretty well if the drifted out of the backfield.
Posted by 4EverLSU11
My desk at work
Member since Jan 2012
27 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:16 am to
I was scared to read another analysis, especially b/c I woke up this morning and felt somewhat normal again. But yours was right on.

I laughed out loud on the 3rd down call to Copeland. I realized at that time that we had given up.

And as far as the JJ audibles goes. Does he enjoy handing off the ball? Throwing bubble screens? Did he think that these plays were working?

He HAD to know back-to-back bubble screens wouldn't work. Why not just say? "Screw it" and change the play call to something, I don't know, fun!

I played QB in high school and can attest to the fact that you don't dream of playing QB to throw bubble screens. You want to throw it deep. JJ hid behind the play calls and made sure he stayed in the game as long as possible.
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 10:18 am
Posted by Tigerstark
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Member since Aug 2011
5978 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 6:30 pm to
quote:

believe we're right where we were with the co-defensive coordinator issue. We either need an OC in the off-season or an o-line coach so Stud can focus solely on the offensive game plan and execution


I don't think its that bad as there has been success (you could see the co-DC issues flaring up in the Miss St. Game that year) - I think the issue is Miles controls the offense. Three OCs under Miles (if you dont' really count Krags as having been an Oc)and we can see similar problems with each.
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 6:32 pm to
quote:

Our team was dominated up front. Impossible to execute much of anything when that happens.



True but we did very little to nothing to try to back errybody off the line.
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