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re: LSU Softball 2018

Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:29 pm to
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:29 pm to
andrews should be a star like AJ.
Posted by SL Tiger
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:30 pm to
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If you notice, the most potent offenses in the country have a systemic offense. There is a very similar swing, stance, approach to batting 1-9.


I agree. You typically see when teams are getting consistent batting instruction when you see consistent swing patterns on deck. I see no discipline with stance or swing. In fact, it looks like most of our player's pre-hit routine includes showing the fans their bat speed. They get in the box and show us the drag-slap routine.

As I said earlier, only one player acts like she can hit any pitcher and I've some call her...cocky. I'll take cocky standing on 1st...
Posted by LSUAshlyn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:32 pm to
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then that was changes for the worst not better and sounds more along the lines of change for the sake of change. that is a HUGE NO NO!


That's how I understood the conversation and how it looked to me after watching the evolution of a few of our hitters this season.

Bait and I don't often agree on much but I am here to tell you I watched Doyle for three years in travel ball and she could flat out rake. She was on everybody's short list of hitters in the 2016 class.

At the end of the year, she looked nothing like the player I watched and her confidence level is naught.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:35 pm to
Every LSU batter is completely different with their approach at the plate. I feel for Springfield, I can tell she is working her arse off and is frustrated but her swing is almost like a golf swing. Her bat positioning is always extremely awkward over the plate. It's the reason why she never makes contact. But when she does, it's gone.

Serrett has the power and the bat speed to put up big numbers but she has an awkward swing as well.


No one can seem to hit a curve ball either. Some look like they've never seen such a pitch.

It's nice having a nice softball discussion and we all seem to be seeing the same stuff
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:37 pm to
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I watched Doyle for three years in travel ball and she could flat out rake. She was on everybody's short list of hitters in the 2016 class.



i think we all know where the problem lies now.
Posted by wildcat81tiger86
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:41 pm to
Great discussion.

I too think that we agree.

Hitting got worse and the circumstantial evidence so for indicates that the hitters where overcoached (negatively)

The defense was sloppy at best and no changes were made to try to improve it once decisions where made on who the starters where going to be early in the season.

Jmo
Posted by SL Tiger
Houston
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:44 pm to
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It's nice having a nice softball discussion and we all seem to be seeing the same stuff


Long through...they should try it!
Posted by Tigerbreathe
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:44 pm to
Sanchez's poor play in the field. Any coincidence one of the worst defensive infielders in the SEC last year is probably coaching her?
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 3:46 pm
Posted by Tigerbait357
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:47 pm to
I can tolerate a Bianka Bell defense if she can put up Bianka Bell offensive numbers
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:51 pm to
your post reminded me of something else....but pitching wise

I remember talking with Brittany Mack when Murphy was supposedly hired. She told me she was not changing her style for him. SO obviously she was worried about change for the sake of change when it was not needed.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:52 pm to
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At first, I thought Dobson was a great hire bc of his coaching ties to USA softball but when you think about it, who on the USA team does he have to coach up on their batting? Most of those players have perfected their approach to the batter's box before Team USA.

It might be time for a change or he should consider changing his coaching approach.


It somewhat applies to a lot of professional sports, especially national teams. A lot managing, some guidance but nothing special per say
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:52 pm to
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I can tolerate a Bianka Bell defense if she can put up Bianka Bell offensive numbers






well duh

her hands were so fast.
Posted by Tigerbait357
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:53 pm to
My thing is if something doesn't work... change it. This season at times felt like a person trying to run through a brick wall
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:54 pm to
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Every LSU batter is completely different with their approach at the plate.


on the outside it looks as if he is letting them use what they think is best, so he now needs to implement a system with those struggling. however per comments here maybe he is changing for the sake of change, just fiddling a tad too much with each girl's style messing it up?
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:56 pm to
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This season at times felt like a person trying to run through a brick wall


my brain feels like it has hit a brick wall after watching this WCWS.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:02 pm to
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Here's what I understand perfectly...

I'm tired of my TAF dollars going to a program that always gets to the dance and is constantly out coached and physically overwhelmed by opponents.


Do you realize how hard it is just to get to the WCWS one year, let alone 3 years in a row? That is success. Alabama has been 11 times and has won one NC after losing in their first 7 appearances.
Florida is a juggernaut but lost in their first five appearances with the Walton as head coach.
I don't know if Torina can recruit well enough to win one but she has damn sure proven that she can coach well enough. We haven't been as talented as the teams that have won it all.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:07 pm to
The 2018, 2019, 2020 all look much more promising than what we have seen Torina bring in. All three of them are top 10 classes (8,6,2)
Posted by Tiger in Texas
Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:34 pm to
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They desperately need a new hitting coach.



I think it is worth paying extra $$ to bring in a quality hitting coach. That being said, will not be enough to help us next year- w/o Landry & Jaquish, we are really going to be exposed.
Until we develop our hitting, we will never be true threat for a championship. But, I am still proud of this team & the job Torina has accomplished- 3 straight WCWS appearances is pretty awesome!
Posted by Bhs83
Member since Mar 2016
548 posts
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:50 pm to
Yall talking about a player that came in and was instructed to make changes that made hitting uncomfortable.

Go to Youtube, type in the batting coaches named and add “hitting drills” and there are a few you can watch as he instructs. Certainly not out of the mainstream. A lot of batting coaches do that drill where they teach you the proper stance has the weight on the big toe of each foot, which makes the batter look pigeon toed.

That is the kind of thing a coach will do, and though its not a total overhaul of a batting approach, it does upset some hitters who are particular.

There is a drill where tennis balls are used to show whether or not your weight distribution through the swing is “correct”. .. Go watch the videos you will see.

Personally, as a player, I was protective of my approach from A to Z when batting left handed. Right handed, my average was 40 points lower but I had more extra base hits. I'd listen to someone's instruction as to my batting right handed... but definitely not left handed.

These little “tips” are not harmless. They can be intrusive, and I see them that way, both as a hitter, and a coach.

Like others have said, if something is working, leave it alone. Dont go for uniformity across the lineup, but if the batter's system does not work, one should be taught. Nothing wrong with that.

Cloning has been mentioned. Get something that works, or expect to be influenced by your batting coach. I am against cloning, too, but you can pick and choose what parts of a system actually work for you.

Some of you have said you believe Sanchez will be next year's “Quinn”, I relly dont know.. I hope not.

Beth has to make some decisions soon. What she has, offensively, cannot be continued. Howard could be the best guy in the world, but maybe he'd fit better somewhere else. We havent seen corrective actions at the plate all year, and I betcha if he stays, next year wont be any different.
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 4:53 pm
Posted by Lsujacket66
Member since Dec 2010
4792 posts
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:10 pm to
fwiw Sanchez I think with some tweaking can be a 330 hitter with a lot of line drive power.
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