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re: LSU needs the Spread offense

Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:03 pm to
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:03 pm to
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LSU tries hurry up/no huddle stuff, too, even with pro-form

Of course when LSU does it, it's always a run up the middle
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:03 pm to
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that's where football is moving. it doesn't have to be a HUNH offense or a super passing spread or anything



We can run our own version of the spread if that's what it takes that would fit in with what Miles wants to do and still be run heavy. Really something similar to what Bama is running now would be good enough. I would like to take it farther than that but just move in that direction would be a start.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:03 pm to
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Even the pros don't run the so called this pro style anymore.

some do, some don't. the basis of pretty much all NFL systems is a "pro style" offense. they sprinkle in some spread or spead or spread option, but the vast majority rely on pro style offense. it just isn't i-form

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passing to the backs, passing to the TE's

west coast, pro-style offensive traits

the pro-style is superior because it has a run-pass balance that makes scheming difficult. like i said earlier, same shite from different formations. the play action becomes a real threat.

the key is going single back and killing the FB. that allows 3/4 WR sets or 2TE sets to "spread" the defense out.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:04 pm to
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What would you call what Alabama runs now days?

pro style

they used to run more pistol, but that OC left
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:04 pm to
But that's now how Bo did it
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:05 pm to
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though for some reason they are still lining up with :01 on the clock to snap it on on the 12th inside run in 13 plays

i think our coaches call the plays from teh sidelines, which means we don't have the opportunity to run motion
Posted by rbdallas
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:11 pm to
what we have done 2014 :
we are # 118 in Passing offense

526 Rushes 119 Passes

LINK

Our problem is predictability and lack of balance.

Our screens and slants have all but disappeared, we either RUSH or try a Home Run for the most part.
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:15 pm to
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quote:What would you call what Alabama runs now days? pro style


well really it's just a matter of semantics. Saints run a pro style as well as Denver. Pro teams run a pro style they just do it from spread formations instead of primarily I formations. which is what we should do. They pass a lot more. They use the shotgun and pistol a lot. No I agree we don't need an 'air raid type offense'
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:18 pm to
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Pro teams run a pro style they just do it from spread formations instead of primarily I formations.

single back is not "spread"

bama runs man-blocking, which makes running the spread-option all but impossible. spread-option = zone blocking

*ETA: i hopefully don't have to explain how they're not a passing/spread team

This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:19 pm to
I really don't care what you call it, it's just semantics, doesn't really matter. You call it pro style, most people call it spread, it's all the same thing. Just talking about modern day offenses that the pros and college teams primarily run. NO one runs what we run whatever the hell you want to call it. Watch some NFL today.
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:25 pm to
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impossible. spread-option = zone blocking


well they line up in the shotgun and pistol a lot and throw it around a lot. They get there backs in space. They get all there skill players involved. use misdirection. The QB will take off running with the ball. They throw to the backs and TE's. They line up with multiple WR's. Call it what ever you want. That's the direction we should go. Away from what we currently do and more in the direction of what everyone else does. I really don't give a dam what you call it. Like every NFL team does and dam near every college team does and pretty much what every high school team in Louisiana does.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 12:27 pm
Posted by Cali-to-Death Valley
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:43 pm to
Believe it or not football (Baseball and Basketball for that matter too) coaches at every level tend to be disciples of those they learned to coach from. Les learned under Bo who loved the ground and pound-two TE offense. Just like Bo Les recruits the bests athletes, many who become square pegs in round holes or languish on the sidelines (just as Bo did later in his tenure when the football landscape was beginning to change to a more balanced offensive attack.) because they just can't fit into this system (recruiting some of the best wide receivers and spread styled QBs in the country for an offense that does not regularly utilize that type of player).

Bo's sphere of influence is strong. You just have to look at the 49ers. Yes they have Kaepernick and Bolden and Crabtree but they are a ground and pound first team-especially when you consider the offensive landscape of the NFL. Look at how Harbaugh's arrival at Stanford changed that program from a more wide open style back to a Bo old Big-10 type of grind it out offense.

I'm sure we can all right now think of a high school program that has a coach that refuses to "update" his offense because he is committed to running the offense that the coach he learned from either his HS coach or the legendary coach that preceded him.

You can call him, right, you can call him wrong, you can want him to stay, you can want him to go, you can love him or hate him, it does not matter. Les Miles is a disciple of Bo and that will always be his football DNA. You will not see a true spread styled offense at LSU as long as Les Miles coaches here.
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