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re: LSU is getting beat by the No 1 team in the nation so we should fire our coach..
Posted on 3/1/14 at 8:14 pm to lwlsu96
Posted on 3/1/14 at 8:14 pm to lwlsu96
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The main reason why Kentucky won the National Title a couple years ago was how high of basketball IQ they had
That. And the fact that they had a good mix of veteran players as well. Lamb and Jones were sophomores and Miller was senior. AD, Teague, and MKG were the freshman. And AD is as rare a freshman as there can be.
And for as much press and publicity that Calipari gets, the freshman 1 and done and then reload the next year hasnt really worked that great except for the year they won it.
Look at the recent winners, minus that UK team. Louisville was led by Siva and Smith. UConn was led by Kemba, who went on 1 of the greatest runs ever. Duke had Nolan Smith, Scheyer, and Kyle Singler. UNC had Hansborough, Lawson, Green, and Ellington.
Majority of the teams that win the title have a veteran squad.
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Posted on 3/1/14 at 8:29 pm to KG5989
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Louisville featured Peyton Siva and Russ Smith. Siva - 6'1 with a 6'3 wingspan and a 42inch vert. Smith is 6'0 and 1 of the best guards in the country. Both guys are over 6ft tall with a longer wing span. And both guys are way more talented than our Mickey and Stringer.
So your argument about Louisville really does nothing. I asked when was the last time that a team with 2 5'10 guards made a run in the tourney? I cant remember. And Siva and Smith are both over 6ft tall, not 5'10.
Go look at combine measurements, Siva is sub 6ft. I promise Smith will be too. We all know that players are "listed" bigger than what they really are. But even with that, LSU hasn't started two 5'10 guards often in SEC play. They've started one who is 5'10 and another who is 6'5" since the UK game. Despite that fact, every team but A&M has scored above their season avg. and been able to get to the rim ANYTIME they wanted to. Short guards aren't ideal, but they are far down the list of reasons this team has been a major disappointment.
People aren't mad that LSU lost to #1 on the road. They really aren't even mad that LSU got blown out. They're mad because a team with 4 returning starters and a top 10 recruiting class is no better than last year's team who had a 7 footer recruited to play the tuba at C, this year's SG at the 4, and essentially no bench. No one who follows LSU basketball closely thought this team was going to win the conf. or go to the final four. But once again the mantra is "next year is the year."
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:08 pm to Alt26
Siva measured in at 6'1 at the combine.... And Smith is listed at 6'0. And I get that height and weight are a little high. That means Hickey and Stringer are 5'9 then. And regardless if Hickey and Stringer start together, they play 31mpg and 26mpg. HIckey has the 2nd most minutes on the team and Stringer has the 4th most. They are the only 2 guards that are top 5 in mpg.
And im not mad at all that we lost to UF. At all. Didnt say anything about the game today. And yea we had a great recruiting class. Our top ranked recruit, Martin, suffered a high ankle sprain the 1st 3 minutes in the 1st game of the season. The beginning of the season for young players is the developmental part of the year. They use that time playing against non conference opponents and getting acclimated to college bball. Martin missed that. When he came back, it was conference play. Thats why he had a bad first few weeks when he returned. Now, hes playing really well. Mickey has been great all year.
But, they are still freshman. Everyone thinks that saying someone is young isnt an excuse anymore or whatever because of the 1 and dones. Well, its not an excuse, but just a fact. They are still developing their game. Even the big time freshman like Wiggins. And how did we get Martin and Mickey here? CJJ
And we play zone a good bit against teams with slashers that gets to the rim.... The reason why is because they can bully our smaller guards our of the way or shoot over them. It doesnt matter if we run a zone or man. Our inability to defend the perimeter kills us. Who plays on the perimeter? Hicker and Stringer.
Theres a reason why in most of our losses the other teams best player was their 1 or 2 guard. In most of our losses.
Loss vs UMass- Chaz Williams - 5'9. 24pts 9 assists
Loss vs Memphis- Joe Jackson - 6'1. 16 points 7 assists.
- Chris Crawford- 6'4. 17pts.
Loss to Rhode Island - EC Matthews - 6'5. 21pts.
- Xavier Munford - 6'2. 17pts
Loss to Tenn - Jordan McRae - 6'6. 19pts
Loss to Ole Miss- Henderson - 6'2. 25pts 7 assists.
- Summers - 6'3. 20pts 8 assists.
Loss to Bama - Releford - 6'0. 21pts
Loss to Arky - Madden - 6'5. 21pts
Loss to UK - Harrison - 6'5. 21pts.
Theres a pattern here... We cant guard perimeter players. Regardless if we are in zone or man. It doesnt matter. They can bully Hickey / Stringer or just shoot over them. Rarely do we lose to teams because of post players.
And im not blaming this season all on those 2. I love those guys. They have been here through some ups and downs and have always played hard. But you can only do so much at their height at this level. Especially on the D end going up against taller players.
And if you dont think that this team is better than last years team... i dont know what to tell you. Record wise, no. But this is a better team. And again, our best players are true freshman. If Mickey and Martin both return, next year is the year with the pressure for CJJ.
And im 1 of the few people on here that didnt have crazy expectations for this team. A lot of people were thinking 3rd in the SEC and a possible sweet 16 team here. I wasnt 1 of those guys.
And im not mad at all that we lost to UF. At all. Didnt say anything about the game today. And yea we had a great recruiting class. Our top ranked recruit, Martin, suffered a high ankle sprain the 1st 3 minutes in the 1st game of the season. The beginning of the season for young players is the developmental part of the year. They use that time playing against non conference opponents and getting acclimated to college bball. Martin missed that. When he came back, it was conference play. Thats why he had a bad first few weeks when he returned. Now, hes playing really well. Mickey has been great all year.
But, they are still freshman. Everyone thinks that saying someone is young isnt an excuse anymore or whatever because of the 1 and dones. Well, its not an excuse, but just a fact. They are still developing their game. Even the big time freshman like Wiggins. And how did we get Martin and Mickey here? CJJ
And we play zone a good bit against teams with slashers that gets to the rim.... The reason why is because they can bully our smaller guards our of the way or shoot over them. It doesnt matter if we run a zone or man. Our inability to defend the perimeter kills us. Who plays on the perimeter? Hicker and Stringer.
Theres a reason why in most of our losses the other teams best player was their 1 or 2 guard. In most of our losses.
Loss vs UMass- Chaz Williams - 5'9. 24pts 9 assists
Loss vs Memphis- Joe Jackson - 6'1. 16 points 7 assists.
- Chris Crawford- 6'4. 17pts.
Loss to Rhode Island - EC Matthews - 6'5. 21pts.
- Xavier Munford - 6'2. 17pts
Loss to Tenn - Jordan McRae - 6'6. 19pts
Loss to Ole Miss- Henderson - 6'2. 25pts 7 assists.
- Summers - 6'3. 20pts 8 assists.
Loss to Bama - Releford - 6'0. 21pts
Loss to Arky - Madden - 6'5. 21pts
Loss to UK - Harrison - 6'5. 21pts.
Theres a pattern here... We cant guard perimeter players. Regardless if we are in zone or man. It doesnt matter. They can bully Hickey / Stringer or just shoot over them. Rarely do we lose to teams because of post players.
And im not blaming this season all on those 2. I love those guys. They have been here through some ups and downs and have always played hard. But you can only do so much at their height at this level. Especially on the D end going up against taller players.
And if you dont think that this team is better than last years team... i dont know what to tell you. Record wise, no. But this is a better team. And again, our best players are true freshman. If Mickey and Martin both return, next year is the year with the pressure for CJJ.
And im 1 of the few people on here that didnt have crazy expectations for this team. A lot of people were thinking 3rd in the SEC and a possible sweet 16 team here. I wasnt 1 of those guys.
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:32 pm to KG5989
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Theres a pattern here... We cant guard perimeter players. Regardless if we are in zone or man. It doesnt matter. They can bully Hickey / Stringer or just shoot over them. Rarely do we lose to teams because of post players.
Meat of the post I def agree, Johnny needs to recruit taller guards
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:34 pm to Ignignot
Tim Quartermans development from this year to next year is HUGE.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:57 pm to Ignignot
I don't know how many folks are calling for CJJ to be fired, but I do think some criticism is warranted.
Coach will be here for awhile, that's a fact.
Re: this game specifically, I did not expect to win, but I did expect to compete a little bit.
As good as Florida is....and they are a polished, disciplined and well coached team, their offense has not exactly been great this year.
But like most everyone, they put up significantly better numbers than normal this year.
CJJ gets the benefit of the doubt from me that he will learn and improve at this level and make the changes he needs to either to his staff, or his philosiphy or both.
Cause he has some talent coming in.
Coach will be here for awhile, that's a fact.
Re: this game specifically, I did not expect to win, but I did expect to compete a little bit.
As good as Florida is....and they are a polished, disciplined and well coached team, their offense has not exactly been great this year.
But like most everyone, they put up significantly better numbers than normal this year.
CJJ gets the benefit of the doubt from me that he will learn and improve at this level and make the changes he needs to either to his staff, or his philosiphy or both.
Cause he has some talent coming in.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 11:24 pm to KG5989
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Theres a pattern here... We cant guard perimeter players. Regardless if we are in zone or man. It doesnt matter. They can bully Hickey / Stringer or just shoot over them. Rarely do we lose to teams because of post players.
And im not blaming this season all on those 2. I love those guys. They have been here through some ups and downs and have always played hard. But you can only do so much at their height at this level. Especially on the D end going up against taller players.
And if you dont think that this team is better than last years team... i dont know what to tell you. Record wise, no. But this is a better team. And again, our best players are true freshman. If Mickey and Martin both return, next year is the year with the pressure for CJJ.
And im 1 of the few people on here that didnt have crazy expectations for this team. A lot of people were thinking 3rd in the SEC and a possible sweet 16 team here. I wasnt 1 of those guys.
The reason they can't guard the perimeter has very little to do with short guards. Teams have gotten bucket at will against Coleman (6'5"), Quarterman (6'6") and Morgan (6'4") as well. It has everything to do with absolutely miserable defensive fundamentals. They far too often look for the steal instead of just working to keep the guy in front of them. After 25 possessions where the perimeter players drive off a ball screen you would think LSU would go under the screen and make the offensive player shoot over them. Nope, they keep chasing screens. When LSU's guards do get screened, the bigs are either lost or too lazy hedge or help. When they do help, they inexplicably leave the ball to cover shooters thus opening driving lanes. They are so worried about blocking the shot, that any hint of a head fake will get a LSU's defenders in the air. Coleman is the worst, but not alone in getting in good defensive position, then for some reason leaving his feet to allow the ball handler to drive right around him. The UK game was sickening to watch the guards at the top of the zone leave the ball to cover shooters who had no inclination whatsoever to shoot jumpers.
You can recruit all the "big" guards you want. When you have a team that places no emphasis on playing sound defense and a coaching staff who clearly has no interest to fixing the issues, you're going to get a shitty defensive play night in and night out. If there was any emphasis on fixing LSU's defensive woes, then there would at least be SOME progress in that area. Unfortunately, they make the same bad plays over, and over, and over again. All while Jones just sits there with a blank stare.
LSU make "look" better at times, but you are what your record says you are. Right now this is looking like a 9-9 SEC team. The exact same record as 12-13.
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 3/1/14 at 11:51 pm to lwlsu96
quote:I love LSU basketball but you are completely off your rocker here!
I think JJ is going to make LSU into a program similar to how Kentucky has been under Calipari.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 7:38 am to Ignignot
we should just expect to lose if a team is ranked higher huh
Posted on 3/2/14 at 7:40 am to Mack
JJ is the right guy for the job. In the next two years he'll have us ranked in the top 10. Watch.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:06 am to Ignignot
You must have missed some of our other games
Posted on 3/2/14 at 12:03 pm to Alt26
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I know right!! I can't wait for the day when he has a team that has 4 returning starters (one of whom being an All-Conf. first teamer) and a top 10 recruiting class that featured 3 of the top 75 players in the country! If that day ever comes, look out!!!
No excuses here for our boys, but FL's starting 4 seniors who've been to the Finals twice and all their starters to the Elite 8. It's pretty unheard of to have a rock solid team on D because of vast experience and familiarity with each other, and they know what their coach wants.
Four year players are an extreme rarity these days.
Look how Kentucky fared last year with extremely talented players. Even Cal couldn't coach a team of newbies, 2 of whom were NBA draftees.
Not only did they not make the NCAA Tourney, they lost in the 1st round of the NIT to ROBERT MORRIS.
And look how they seem to be imploding this year.
The "one and done" not working out so much, coaching freshmen can obviously be very difficult. 4 year experience gets it done.
What I'm trying to say is that FL are a formidable opponent this year and definitely the most challenging team we've faced during the Johnson/Jones era.
Hope we can continue to recruit talented players and keep them around for a few years.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 1:01 pm to Alt26
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Rarely do we lose to teams because of post players.
With all due respect KG5989, you make some great points in the rest of your post, but you've got to be kidding.
Check who has the most turnovers and you'll see what I mean. Check how those guys don't play the fundamentals. No hands up, and the silly reflex to come down with an arm on the offensive players time and time again, no discipline. Mickey is a wonderful shot blocker, but what happens as a result of many of those blocks? They go straight into the hands of the rebounding offense, sometimes resulting in put-backs. Sometimes knocked out of bounds and an offensive play that results in a goal, with little opposition from our bigs under the nets.
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he reason they can't guard the perimeter has very little to do with short guards. Teams have gotten bucket at will against Coleman (6'5"), Quarterman (6'6") and Morgan (6'4") as well. It has everything to do with absolutely miserable defensive fundamentals.
Precisely Alt26. I've been saying this all season.
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When LSU's guards do get screened, the bigs are either lost or too lazy hedge or help. When they do help, they inexplicably leave the ball to cover shooters thus opening driving lanes.
We are terrible at defending screens. I get tired of seeing our guards - all of them no matter how tall, ping-ponged by a strong pick, then rushing around trying to regain ground.
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When they do help, they inexplicably leave the ball to cover shooters thus opening driving lanes
Exactly.
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ou can recruit all the "big" guards you want.
Height & talent (meaning athletic ability) means nothing when there's no basketball IQ. Andre Stringer has one of best basketball IQ's on our team, what he lacks in height, he makes up with brains.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 2:02 pm to Ignignot
Johnny Jones is Daddy Dale Pt. 2.
And that's good. We're going to be really talented and make the tournament almost every year, but the teams will never reach their full potential and we'll make some early exits. But occasionally we'll have a really good team with Final Four potential.
He'll get us the players, that's for sure.
And that's good. We're going to be really talented and make the tournament almost every year, but the teams will never reach their full potential and we'll make some early exits. But occasionally we'll have a really good team with Final Four potential.
He'll get us the players, that's for sure.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 5:23 pm to Britgirl
I was talking about the other teams post players.... Not ours. We rarely lose games because the other team has a post player that dominates ours. Thats what I was getting at.
JOB has a lot of turnovers because he struggles when teams double him in the short corner. CJJ should know that and not give him the ball right there if that team is doubling him.
OK... so Mickeys shot blocking ability hurts us because the ball sometimes goes into an offensive guys hands and out of bounds, and then the team runs a good inbounds play and scores?? Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I would love to see the facts and #s that support this theory. I can almost guarantee that those 2 things happen less than 30% of the time.
JOB has a lot of turnovers because he struggles when teams double him in the short corner. CJJ should know that and not give him the ball right there if that team is doubling him.
OK... so Mickeys shot blocking ability hurts us because the ball sometimes goes into an offensive guys hands and out of bounds, and then the team runs a good inbounds play and scores?? Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I would love to see the facts and #s that support this theory. I can almost guarantee that those 2 things happen less than 30% of the time.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 5:29 pm to KG5989
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CJJ should know that and not give him the ball right there if that team is doubling him.
Or maybe O'Bryant learns to pass out of a double team.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 5:55 pm to KG5989
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I was talking about the other teams post players.... Not ours. We rarely lose games because the other team has a post player that dominates ours. Thats what I was getting at.
Aah I misunderstood you.
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OK... so Mickeys shot blocking ability hurts us because the ball sometimes goes into an offensive guys hands and out of bounds, and then the team runs a good inbounds play and scores?? Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
Obviously Jordan's blocking ability is impressive. It's definitely dramatic when it works and we're off to the races on the break.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that blocking isn't always the best defensive option, in some circumstances pulling down the rebound is as easy. Then you have the possession for sure.
I don't know the stats on the results of blocks not going our way, but it's my perception from watching games and getting aggravated. I might be completely wrong but I feel like too many attempts many go astray.
IMO there are times when it's the wrong decision to just swat at the ball and fail to get a block or a rebound, resulting in the other team scoring. Kinding of like going for a dunk and missing instead of laying it in.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 6:05 pm to KG5989
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solid big
That's how you describe JOB?
Posted on 3/2/14 at 6:10 pm to lwlsu96
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LSU has decent talent on their team this year, but majority of these players badly lack basketball IQ.
Like how teams swarm JOB in the paint and LSU has no answer for it...
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