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re: LSU Hoops: Johnson and Temple relationship article
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:05 pm to GeismarGeauxer
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:05 pm to GeismarGeauxer
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Johnson, a dedicated basketball man, admittedly isn’t the social butterfly Brown is.
“People who’ve been around me, they know how I am. I don’t need to be in the picture or always out in the front,” Johnson said. “I don’t need all that. All I need is to make sure that everybody has a great understanding of what’s going on with our program and that we’re making strides and that the guy that’s leading this program is a hard-working guy and humble.
“He doesn’t need to have everybody know what he does in the community. He doesn’t need people to know that he’s giving money to this foundation in Seattle or this foundation in Nevada or taking trips to Africa. I don’t need that. I’m a firm believer, and it’s how I was raised, is that when people want to help you or help a cause, they don’t tell you they’re going to do it. They just do it.”
For the record you can be a great coach and have success without being the larger than life personality. However I think a place like LSU needs that for basketball. LSU like Tennessee with Pearl needs a big personality to sell the program, not only to recruits, but to the fans. Unless you have someone hyping up the team the fans will take january and february off between football and baseball. LSu fans are bandwagon in everything except for football (and im not sure even about football) Go look at actual attendance in baseball at the end of smoke and pre 23 game streak Mainieri. Trent may be a solid coach for many programs but hes not a great fit for LSU.
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:05 pm to Adam Banks
broseph needs to find AT LEAST one big man from somewhere or we are gonna be pretty meh again this year.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:06 pm to BilJ
quote:Agreed. Tells a bit about his mindset doesnt it.
He was hired to elevate the program not say "ah well things are about the same as they've always been" Sounds pretty chicken shite Trent
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:08 pm to Elleshoe
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broseph needs to find AT LEAST one big man from somewhere or we are gonna be pretty meh again this year.
Very true. Though the brightside might be that at least the novelty of a tuba player getting significant minutes might attract some fans for a couple games.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:09 pm to Adam Banks
I will say this from my only encounter with Trent Johnson. Dude has a personality and is actually extremely funny!
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:12 pm to AreJay
I do like how Coach Johnson is standing up for himself and saying piss off. Says a lot about his character in my opinion. I also do like how Temple is very passionate about the program. I am too. The NIT is not acceptable at LSU.
- We've been to 4 Final Fours (only 16 other schools have been to more. That's pretty damn good considering there is like 340 teams and some of the teams in front of us are: Kentucky, UCLA, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan State, etc ).
- We've been to the Elite 8 6 times.
- We've been to the Sweet 16 9 times.
- We've been to the NCAA tournament 20 times.
- We've won SEC regular season 10 times.
- We've had the likes of Pete Maravich, Shaq, Chris Jackson, Bob Pettit, Rudy Macklin, Stromile Swift, Tyrus Thomas, Brandon Bass, Glen Davis, Marcus Thornton, Anthony Randolph, etc.
We should be doing better. This isn't a NIT level program.
- We've been to 4 Final Fours (only 16 other schools have been to more. That's pretty damn good considering there is like 340 teams and some of the teams in front of us are: Kentucky, UCLA, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan State, etc ).
- We've been to the Elite 8 6 times.
- We've been to the Sweet 16 9 times.
- We've been to the NCAA tournament 20 times.
- We've won SEC regular season 10 times.
- We've had the likes of Pete Maravich, Shaq, Chris Jackson, Bob Pettit, Rudy Macklin, Stromile Swift, Tyrus Thomas, Brandon Bass, Glen Davis, Marcus Thornton, Anthony Randolph, etc.
We should be doing better. This isn't a NIT level program.
This post was edited on 3/19/12 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:19 pm to Coach D
Then if Trent is actually pretty funny & owner of a good personality, maybe he should show it more often. The previous comment about LSU basketball needing an outgoing personality like Dale Brown had makes sense if you look at the overall history.
His very mediocre overall record on the court and failure to recruit more highly rated Louisiana players has certainly not helped TJ. This has helped make it difficult for the fan base to be very supportive of him.
His very mediocre overall record on the court and failure to recruit more highly rated Louisiana players has certainly not helped TJ. This has helped make it difficult for the fan base to be very supportive of him.
This post was edited on 3/19/12 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:21 pm to GeismarGeauxer
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Temple was very instrumental in getting local talent to stay at LSU...Temple brothers, Bass, Davis, Swift, Thomas, etc. but I don't believe he was on board with TJ hire and has not only bowed out but potentially is hurting our chances at local guys.
yet he didn't do crap to help get duhon, monroe, carter ect.
he was instrumental in getting his aau talent here. outside of baton rouge, he had nothing.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:24 pm to GeismarGeauxer
i agree with temple on most of his points but its not like trent's predecessor was beating down doors selling the program, kissing babies and hanging nets on netless goals. collis is pissed because trent won't let him be as big a figure around the program as brady did. i hate it for garrett and collis III because i know they still reach out to guys who are on this team. it's not like this has cost us a glen davis or a tasmin mitchell because it hasn't.
i want us to be good too and again, i agree with almost all of what he said in terms of us needing to win and wanting to win and needing change if it doesn't happen now. it's also fun to go back and read the quotes from collis when trent was hired about how great it was to have a black man at the helm. i'll let someone else post them.
i want us to be good too and again, i agree with almost all of what he said in terms of us needing to win and wanting to win and needing change if it doesn't happen now. it's also fun to go back and read the quotes from collis when trent was hired about how great it was to have a black man at the helm. i'll let someone else post them.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:25 pm to GeismarGeauxer
Lol. That was very tame from Collis. He's been much more anti-Johnson than that.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:26 pm to S
quote:
collis is pissed because trent won't let him be as big a figure around the program as brady did. i
Very pissed
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:26 pm to GeismarGeauxer
Unfortunately college hoops is all about the relationship with AAU coaches and other hanger ons. Summary - Johnson wasn't playing that game with Temple or anyone else. Whether right or wrong, Johnson will be evaluated on wins and losses and not how he takes care of the AAU coaches representing top players. I can respect Johnson for that and if he sticks to his guns and is successful, good for him. Unfortunately, it will probably cost him his job at some point.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:27 pm to HeadSlash
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Temple has told me personally that the only reason that LSU hasn't fired Johnson is because he's black, ain't no way a white coach would have survived.
explain john brady for 10 YEARS. If he said that, he is stupid. i say stupid because he knows better.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:31 pm to LSUbase13
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I do like how Coach Johnson is standing up for himself and saying piss off. Says a lot about his character..."
Agree. He is trying to build this program in the right way. The next 2 years will be telling with recruiting and on court performance. He wants a clean program not dealing in the "slime recruiting" of the AAU "what's in it for me, i'm the dudes agent, uh I mean coach" culture. Not sure that is possible unfortunately, but admirable frankly.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:34 pm to Iam4LSUnTN
hopefully next year brings a more clear picture of where this program is headed so if there is no progress or a step back we can do what needs to be done and get on with it. or there is progress and we try and keep moving forward.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:38 pm to dos crystal
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explain john brady for 10 YEARS. If he said that, he is stupid. i say stupid because he knows better.
because brady used the probation excuse for his 1st 6 years. then he would do just enough at the end of the regular season to save his job.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:46 pm to T
Hard to argue with any of this.
"“Oh, there needs to be a change. There needs to be a change,” Temple stated. “Trent either needs to win or we need to let him get another job. He needs to win. It’s not personal. He’s a nice enough guy, I think, but he needs to win. And you got to win. You got to recruit. You’ve got to engage the community. You have to engage the high school coaches. You have to engage the AAU coaches. You have to engage the ministers. You have to engage the media. You have to engage your baseline because these are the people that are going to follow you and support you.”
Temple also provided advice on the matter for the LSU athletic administration.
“They should look very closely at all of the elements that make up LSU basketball as it relates to being a success,” continued Temple. “Whatever it takes to get the seats filled. Whatever it takes to get the wins going. Whatever it takes to get the program moving in a healthy direction.”
"“Oh, there needs to be a change. There needs to be a change,” Temple stated. “Trent either needs to win or we need to let him get another job. He needs to win. It’s not personal. He’s a nice enough guy, I think, but he needs to win. And you got to win. You got to recruit. You’ve got to engage the community. You have to engage the high school coaches. You have to engage the AAU coaches. You have to engage the ministers. You have to engage the media. You have to engage your baseline because these are the people that are going to follow you and support you.”
Temple also provided advice on the matter for the LSU athletic administration.
“They should look very closely at all of the elements that make up LSU basketball as it relates to being a success,” continued Temple. “Whatever it takes to get the seats filled. Whatever it takes to get the wins going. Whatever it takes to get the program moving in a healthy direction.”
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:55 pm to T
quote:
because brady used the probation excuse for his 1st 6 years. then he would do just enough at the end of the regular season to save his job.
well, i thought we were talking about race. you claimed temple said had johnson been white, he'd be fired. therefore, since brady was white, why did the excuses matter?
I guess johnson could say, well, i was left a mess with no talent behind the seniors, an apr mess where i lost 3 ships. I had to recruit academic players to get the apr up.
I respect the hell out of t.j., this cat has been as stand up, honest, humble coach to ever come to lsu. With that said, i don't know if he will maintain his job or have success for being a stand up guy and a good coach. In today's world, you have to have some cheating in you to succeed. I'm pulling for him. I want to believe you can be honest and win/succeed.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:56 pm to GeismarGeauxer
I've always wondered why Randy Livingston is not a member of the LSU coaching staff...With Alleva giving Trent another year, he should have at least made him change up the coaching staff.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:59 pm to dos crystal
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you claimed temple said had johnson been white, he'd be fired. therefore, since brady was white, why did the excuses matter?
#1 i didn't claim anything.
#2 i just gave the reason brady never got fired.
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