re: LSU had more players ranked in NFL top 101 than one entire power 5 conference.

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You think gaining a ton of yards against 2012 bama is something to write home about. And you think that scoring the THIRD most points against that bama team means something. It doesn't . Any fan would rather gain 200 yards and win than 400 yards and lose. If you can't tell the difference , I can't help ya.

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Where did i say id rather gain yards and points and lose than have 200 yards and win?
All i said was our 2012 offense was more successful than any other team bama faced that year at moving the ball, we scored the 3rd most points,and they gave the defense a lead with 90 seconds.

But yeah i guess thats on the offense because you cant blast miles if you blame the defense.

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You think you are the smartest in the room????? Paaaalease.....

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i dont think anything. I know it.
Lov you too peej

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Rickdaddy4188

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Your arguments are absolutely stupid.

You're comparing Sabans years 1-5 to Miles 6-10.

Also, who is dominating the SEC right now? Some of you are so dense.

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Your arguments are absolutely stupid.

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Its not an argument. Its facts. Im sorry that FACTS about Miles' tenure, proves your opinion is fricking ignorant. Deal with it.

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u're comparing Sabans years 1-5 to Miles 6-10.

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And? Its harder to maintain a powerhouse than build one. This is common knowldge.
Also, you dont want to compare Miles' first 5 years to Saban's tenure.

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Also, who is dominating the SEC right now?

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Not Saban at lsu.

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Some of you are so dense.

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At age 9 i had a higher iq than you do now.

But hey you can be the next negatiger i destroy with FACTS. No before we begin, do i need to explain or define what a"FACT" is?
You know what, I'll just go ahead and do it.
A fact is a thing that is indisputably the case.
For example, Miles has more top 5 finishes at lsu than Saban had top 25 finishes at lsu.
Another example is since Miles was hired no program has beaten more ranked teams and no program has been ranked in the top 25 more weeks.

Gotta disagree with you're stet meant that maintaining a powerhouse is harder than building one. Look at Oregon Stanford Wisconsin and lsu it was harder to get these teams to the top than it's been for the new coaches to maintain them.

At age 9 i had a higher iq than you do now.


This is just laughable. Someone who has to tell people how smart they are is someone who is indeed, not smart.

For one, Saban had a team that was 3-8 the year before (4-7 before that) and hadn't won anything of significance in decades. LSU was losing most if not all top LA recruits to out of state schools. Saban came in, put up walls around Louisiana and in 4 years built a powerhouse that won a national championship, our first in nearly 50 years... But I know I don't have to explain facts to such a scholar as yourself. In 2004, his final year at LSU, he had a team which lost its starting QB from the national championship year before and was left with arguably the worst QB in the last 30 years at LSU in Marcus Randall. We still finished ranked 16th with our only losses coming to all top 15 opponents, all away games. One of which was by 1 point and the other on a Hail Mary has time expired.

Now, since you seem to know everything, I won't have to paint this too clear for you:

Sabans first 5 years at LSU he went to the Independence Bowl, BCS Bowl, National Championship, Cap One Bowl... I'll minus the one Peach Bowl in the middle to better my case, hope you don't mind, Sir Scholar. Sabans first 4 years at Bama he went to the Independence Bowl, BCS Bowl, National Championship, Cap One Bowl... In that order... Weird, right? But, this time he doesn't jump ship to the NFL. Takes him 4 years to surpass Miles and every other coach in NCAA. I'll let you figure out what has happened in the last 5 years of each coach.

And if you don't think Saban would be doing the same thing at LSU as he is doing at Bama had he stayed then you are clueless.

I like Miles, he had a damn good run at LSU at a very opportune time. He's the only recent coach to win a National Championship with 2 losses, a Championship that was handed to us on a silver platter. I would not have any problems with Les Miles being our coach for the next 10 years, because we will never suck with him as coach. BUT... His time has passed him and he will never truly bring LSU back to elite. 2012 BCS National Championship game was a dagger in Miles' coffin, at least until Saban is gone.

Saban built LSU to a national power in 4 years... Miles brought us back down in 6 and has showed zero signs that he'll be able to make LSU elite again. If you call what Miles has done maintaining a powerhouse then you need to really evaluate what a powerhouse is.

Only someone who does not have the mental capacity to really grasp what each coach had to endure at LSU would argue their tenures.

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This is just laughable. Someone who has to tell people how smart they are is someone who is indeed, not smart.

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Right because i stated my iq because you didnt call me dense.

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one, Saban had a team that was 3-8 the year before (4-7 before that)

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Saban walked into a program littered with future talent and some of the best players, at their positions,in lsu history.

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hadn't won anything of significance in decade

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Right because top 15 finishes in 96&97 were shite.

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Saban came in, put up walls around Louisiana and in 4 years built a powerhouse that won a national championship

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1 top 5 finish in over in over 2 decades isnt a powerhouse. Saban had 2 top 10 finishes. Thats not a powerhouse. Having less than 3 losses once in 5 years isnt a powerhouse.

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In 2004, his final year at LSU, he had a team which lost its starting QB from the national championship year before and was left with arguably the worst QB in the last 30 years at LSU in Marcus Randa

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Right because im sure miles gets apass for the back up qb not being ready.

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Sabans first 5 years at LSU he went to the Independence Bowl, BCS Bowl, National Championship, Cap One Bowl... I'll minus the one Peach Bowl in the middle to better my case, hope you don't mind, Sir Scholar. Sabans first 4 years at Bama he went to the Independence Bowl, BCS Bowl, National Championship, Cap One Bowl... In that order... Weird, right? But, this time he doesn't jump ship to the NFL. Takes him 4 years to surpass Miles and every other coach in NCAA. I'll let you figure out what has happened in the last 5 years of each coach.

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Show me where i said we wouldnt have been better with saban these last 10 years.

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And if you don't think Saban would be doing the same thing at LSU as he is doing at Bama had he stayed then you are clueless.

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Again, when did i say Miles is a better coach than Saban?

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His time has passed him and he will never truly bring LSU back to elite

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2008 & 2009 called and wants its bullshite myth back

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e's the only recent coach to win a National Championship with 2 losses, a Championship that was handed to us on a silver platter. I wo

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And saban won a sec west with 3 losses in 2001. If you gave saban a National title for every ,2 or less, loss seasons, he would still just have 1(at lsu).

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Saban built LSU to a national power in 4 ye

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Only someone that doesnt know shite about football would call 1 top 5 finish in 2 decades,a powerhouse.
2000-4 losses
2001-3 losses
2002-5 lossed
2003-1 loss
2004-3 losses.

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Miles brought us back down in 6 a

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I love when football ignorant posters walk right into a wall.
Our last 5 years under Miles have a better win/ loss record than Saban's tenure.

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Only someone who does not have the mental capacity to really grasp what each coach had to endure at LSU would argue their tenures.

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Only someone who doesnt live in reality would say Saban's tenure was better.

Miles has higher win %
More national title game appearances
Better ooc win%
Miles has more top 5 finishes than Saban had top 25 finishes

Hell our last 5 years have a better win loss record than Saban's tenure.

But hey dont let facts get in the way of you saying ignorant shite.

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This is just laughable. Someone who has to tell people how smart they are is someone who is indeed, not smart. For one, Saban had a team that was 3-8 the year before (4-7 before that) and hadn't won anything of significance in decades. LSU was losing most if not all top LA recruits to out of state schools. Saban came in, put up walls around Louisiana and in 4 years built a powerhouse that won a national championship, our first in nearly 50 years... But I know I don't have to explain facts to such a scholar as yourself. In 2004, his final year at LSU, he had a team which lost its starting QB from the national championship year before and was left with arguably the worst QB in the last 30 years at LSU in Marcus Randall. We still finished ranked 16th with our only losses coming to all top 15 opponents, all away games. One of which was by 1 point and the other on a Hail Mary has time expired. Now, since you seem to know everything, I won't have to paint this too clear for you: Sabans first 5 years at LSU he went to the Independence Bowl, BCS Bowl, National Championship, Cap One Bowl... I'll minus the one Peach Bowl in the middle to better my case, hope you don't mind, Sir Scholar. Sabans first 4 years at Bama he went to the Independence Bowl, BCS Bowl, National Championship, Cap One Bowl... In that order... Weird, right? But, this time he doesn't jump ship to the NFL. Takes him 4 years to surpass Miles and every other coach in NCAA. I'll let you figure out what has happened in the last 5 years of each coach. And if you don't think Saban would be doing the same thing at LSU as he is doing at Bama had he stayed then you are clueless. I like Miles, he had a damn good run at LSU at a very opportune time. He's the only recent coach to win a National Championship with 2 losses, a Championship that was handed to us on a silver platter. I would not have any problems with Les Miles being our coach for the next 10 years, because we will never suck with him as coach. BUT... His time has passed him and he will never truly bring LSU back to elite. 2012 BCS National Championship game was a dagger in Miles' coffin, at least until Saban is gone. Saban built LSU to a national power in 4 years... Miles brought us back down in 6 and has showed zero signs that he'll be able to make LSU elite again. If you call what Miles has done maintaining a powerhouse then you need to really evaluate what a powerhouse is. Only someone who does not have the mental capacity to really grasp what each coach had to endure at LSU would argue their tenures.

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Les is one of the best coaches in the business with only five or six guys, including Saban, ahead of him. Maintaining a program is as hard as building one. If we slipped so far how come we have been picked by many to be in playoffs or a near miss? How come there is just justifiable optimism? Have you paid attention to LSU's off season moves? Or, that does not fit your agenda?

Not accepting Miles' accomplishments is blind prejudice, narrow mindedness or to support an inferiority complex that everything is wrong with LSU since Saban is no longer in BR. Envy and insecurity complexes aren't cool. Let me ask this. If Miles narrowly misses and either a) lose SEC title game but wins major bowl game or b) does win SEC but lose in playoffs how would you feel? If that was enough for the powers that be to give him either an extension or at least set things up where it will be next to impossible for him to be released (unless by his own free will), how would you feel? I have a feeling there are some powerful people in La. whose opinions matter a lot more than you and I may favor some things that would get your blood boiling:). If that was not the case Miles would not still be in BR.

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Wow...... I have said time and time again that miles is in the top 5 of coaches. But, those three losses in November are unacceptable with the talent this team had. We didn't just lose those games. We got dominated by all three. To me that looks like they were unprepared . Sorry but that ALL falls on miles. People call me a nega- tiger. That's far from the truth. I want lsu to win every game they play. But I know this is not possible. I am also not a fan of morale wins. They mean nothing. I being such s good fan gives me the right to voice my displeasure with things. I am a reality kind of guy. Fact lsu got hammered in November. The outcome of those games must improve THIS year. If miles ever had a team that can go all the way it's this one. I don't really care what he did five years ago. It's what he did last year and this year that should be of concern for all lsu fans. Here's to hoping for a great season!!!!!!!!!!

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Put up or shut up time for our program.

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How ya doing Ricky?????

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Just being the pinnacle of human evolution. Just a regular Wednesday.