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re: LSU at Texas preview (in depth)

Posted on 8/7/19 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by Capn_Bevo
Austin
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 12:26 pm to
Meant to ask specifically about offensive tackles. Thanks, Girth
Posted by GirthBrooks62
The Booty House
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 12:30 pm to
No problem bro. I will be in Austin. My wife’s family are huge longhorn fans. Will be so much fun.

LT is Shadiq Charles. We are pretty high on him. He is decent to good.

RT Austin Deculus. He is apparently night and day better than he was last year and Ed is high on him.

Offensive line is what is it for us. It’s not elite that’s for sure and it’s hit or miss in terms of last season.

If Texas can do anything against LSU I believe it’s going to be blitzing and testing that offensive line. Create some confusion up front. Make some defensive line stunts and exotic blitzes. If you force them to think and try to communicate. Y’all can have some success there for sure. Teams last year did at times for sure and not just the Bama game.

Ed said the other day that by far the most improved unit is the offensive line and the group that has the highest ceiling is the WR corps. Take that for what’s its worth. We will know soon enough!
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 12:32 pm
Posted by Capn_Bevo
Austin
Member since Jan 2019
528 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 12:32 pm to
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They moved Sullivan to TE. He gained some weight. He is a monster. The passing coordinator wants to use him as a Jimmy Graham. Maybe isolate him with a nickel or LB and target him in that way like Gronk and Graham did.

With that move it sounds like you'll try to use Sullivan like we used Lil' Jordan Humphrey last year. Sullivan seems too light to be an effective blocker at this point.
Posted by bignic26
West Monroe
Member since Jul 2013
823 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 12:36 pm to
Really great write up. Thanks for taking the time to do this. I know a lot went into it.

There are just so many unknowns when it comes to Texas because of how much roster turnover they'll have. They were a good football team last season. Can't take anything away from them. Yeah, they lost to Maryland for the second straight year but they beat OU and Georgia. Thing is though, the team that beat OU and Georgia isn't going to be taking the field.
Posted by GirthBrooks62
The Booty House
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 12:40 pm to
They got him at 6’7 250 pounds. WRers notoriously don’t block all that well. If we use him it will be more for spread formations to isolate him on a nickel or LB. They may do that just to draw attention and take an extra LBer out of the run game and just run a spread QB option with it too or just some nice little easy RPOs.

If it’s just like Jimmy Graham, it would be mostly some slot work and some formation with him out wide to see if they can get red zone jump ball fade working on a smaller corner.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 3:05 pm
Posted by RadarTiger
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 12:49 pm to
I 100% agree with what you put. Either of those situations can happen.

I fear the crowd and the fact that Herman’s Teams always turn it on for big games.

here’s to a great game
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 12:50 pm to
I think the best word to describe both teams from last year is inconsistent. I don’t think there’s an excuse for either Texas losing to Maryland or LSU losing to UF. At their best, both teams demolished UGA, a proven contender.

Orgeron has done a good job addressing some of the weaknesses, but he still has to prove he can win with consistency. Herman also has lost to teams he shouldn’t at UH and UT. However, he seems to be nails against better competition, so I expect this game to be a war.

Out of curiosity, what season outcome do you think it would take for UT fans to really believe Texas is back to being elite?

Most LSU fans believe the season would be a failure with another 9-3 record, and many even think 10-2 would be underperforming this year, barring some 2007-type weirdness or injury at crucial positions. Keep in mind, that’s with away games against Alabama and Texas on the schedule.

I get the impression both fanbases have very high expectations this year, but I would like to hear more from UT fans about theirs.

This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 12:53 pm
Posted by RadarTiger
Member since Dec 2018
3297 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 12:58 pm to
If Roach and McCulloch can get pressure from the edges Texas will have success stopping LSU. I think we are strong at the Center and guard spots. It really comes down to if Roach returns to his old form, and if McCulloch can get pressure from the Buck LB.

Florida and Bama kicked our arse all game last year with a pass rush. And those were the games we lost. I don’t really know what happened against A&M besides a lot of bs.
Posted by Capn_Bevo
Austin
Member since Jan 2019
528 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:12 pm to
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Out of curiosity, what season outcome do you think it would take for UT fans to really believe Texas is back to being elite?

00 Tech Grad, we need to win the Big XII for me to feel like the season was a success. To be considered elite Texas also needs to make the playoff and show they belong.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19493 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:22 pm to
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Texas - 30

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LSU - 14

Regardless of if you are able to stop our offense that well, there is no chance y’all score 30 on us without at least 1 defensive score. A turnover and then a drive and I still don’t see 30 happening. For perspective, our defense last year never gave up 30 points in regulation. We gave up 30+ against UCF but that wasn’t our real defense. We gave up 29 to Alabama with our defense being on the field for like 75% of the game. I think our defense will be better this year. No offense to Texas, but I don’t think your offense will be anywhere near what Bama’s was last year.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 1:23 pm
Posted by Capn_Bevo
Austin
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:32 pm to
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Regardless of if you are able to stop our offense that well, there is no chance y’all score 30 on us without at least 1 defensive score. A turnover and then a drive and I still don’t see 30 happening. For perspective, our defense last year never gave up 30 points in regulation. We gave up 30+ against UCF but that wasn’t our real defense. We gave up 29 to Alabama with our defense being on the field for like 75% of the game. I think our defense will be better this year. No offense to Texas, but I don’t think your offense will be anywhere near what Bama’s was last year.

My scenario did include a defensive score. I have nothing but respect for the LSU defense, and I think it will be the best we've faced in years.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:36 pm to
I thought you meant a turnover and then a quick drive score. I meant a score with the defense on the field. I agree. I think the matchup that matters in this game the most is LSU’s offense vs Texas’ defense. If we are productive on offense it will be a long game for y’all because I don’t think y’all will be able to score consistently on our defense. If we aren’t, y’all can keep it close and anything could happen.
Posted by Capn_Bevo
Austin
Member since Jan 2019
528 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:41 pm to
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I thought you meant a turnover and then a quick drive score.
Actually you're right. let's just say we get the ball on your 10. haha
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19493 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:45 pm to


I think what will really determine this game is we return most of our defensive starters whereas y’all don’t. It’s not that I think the talent isn’t there for y’all on defense, it definitely is. I just think y’all will be hurt a lot by this being the second game of the season. I think it’s too early for your defense to be ready. But tbh like I said when this first came up I wish we were playing yall’s 2018 team. I want good football. If y’alls defense isn’t ready like I’m predicting then that will kind of suck IMO. I’m hyped for this game.
Posted by Capn_Bevo
Austin
Member since Jan 2019
528 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:54 pm to
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I think what will really determine this game is we return most of our defensive starters whereas y’all don’t. It’s not that I think the talent isn’t there for y’all on defense, it definitely is. I just think y’all will be hurt a lot by this being the second game of the season.

There's no way of getting around that. I really believe that if I'm watching the Horns beat LSU then I'm watching Ehlinger and company having success against the best defense they've faced. It's a tall order.
Posted by PP7WasInbounds
Member since Aug 2019
132 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 2:34 pm to
This is a GREAT writeup. Literally the ONLY thing I disagree with you on is the final score. I think it will be closer than a 12 point game, only because I think LSU offense will still be figuring itself out.

I say 27-23 LSU.
Posted by PP7WasInbounds
Member since Aug 2019
132 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 2:36 pm to
This is very spot on. If this game were later in the season I think it would help Texas greatly.

by the same token, not to get ahead of myself, but when Texas comes to LSU next year, LSU will have a lot to replace, but I will start worrying about next season after this season.
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
6001 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:38 pm to
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I think their O-Line is decent but LSU can definitely manage to get some sacks off of them and slow their running game with penetration. The right side of the O-Line seems to be weaker especially at tackle. This is where I think Chaisson will primarily attack from. Also, I am also interested to see how the grad transfer from Georgia Tech does in pass blocking.


A full strength Chaisson is going to threaten havoc in the backfield on every play. It will allow the DLine to penetrate and rush more plays as well and should contain Ehlinger from running too effectively. Aranda will employ some tricky pressure with Delpit and Stevens. And I think our corners will be ripe to pick off some rushed throws.

Our Oline will be a big pivot point as well. I've read multiple articles talking about our offensive scheme and how we could see some positive changes as a result from our O-Line. It's important to note what others have previously said.. Our Oline has pretty good technique and when they know who to block, they block very well. Spreading receivers and TEs out allow the O-Line to better read the defense and figure out who their responsibility is pre-snap.

Trying to be as unbiased as possible... I see Texas as having a advantage at QB. Much less drastic than most would think too.

Safety could be about equal.

DLine, Linebackers, Corners, O line and receivers are advantage LSU.

Posted by 20 ton
BR
Member since Aug 2013
802 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 6:57 am to
I know that Texas lost three O lineman but picked up a transfer from Ga. Tech. Was he there in the spring. I’m guessing the blocking schemes are different from that o. Could effect timing?
Posted by Tigerik
Franklin, TN
Member since Mar 2007
1658 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 7:32 am to
Great read. Thanks for the analysis. Barrett Sally of Bleacher Report calls LSU the most overrated team not named Michigan. I disagree of course, but this game will go a long way to either proving or dispelling this notion.
Of course he's a Georgia resident, so I asked him how he thought we did against UGA last year. No response, of course.
This game is HUGE for future recruiting, so I think your take on that component of this match-up was spot on.
Keep up the good work. I know this was work.
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