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LSU 2002 v LSU 2014 passing game comparison (LONG)
Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:39 pm
Was looking on SDS and the temp writer, I assume, brought up a nice observation
SEC Subplots: LSU
Jimbo Fisher
Went into his 15th straight year as a college QB coach and 4th straight year as a college OC in 2002 (3rd year with LSU). Had been dealing with 18 year old QBs for a nearly a decade and a half straight prior to 2002.
Cam Cameron
Hadn't coached teenage QBs in 11 years. Did have 9 previous years as college QB coach back in the 90s and turn of the century, and 5 years as college HC. Went into his 2nd straight year as LSU's QB/OC in 2014.
2002 QBs
Mauck was a redshirt sophomore as well as Randall
Randall 87/181 (48.1%) 1173 yards 6.5 ypa 7 TDs 5 ints 109.72 QBR
Mauck 63/130 (48.5%) 782 yards 6.0 ypa 9 TDs 2 ints 118.8 QBR
Randall 348 rush yards 2 TDs
Mauck 176 rush yards 2 TDs
2014 QBs
Jennings true sophomore and Harris was a true freshman
Jennings 111/227 (48.9%) 1611 yards 7.1 ypa, 11 TDs 7 ints 118.33 QBR
Harris 25/45 (55.6%) 452 yards 10.0 ypa, 6 TDs 2 ints, 175.04 QBR
Jennings 292 rush yards
Harris 159 rush yards 3 TDs
2002 Offensive PPG
24.8
2014 Offensive PPG
24.5
2002 WRs
Devery was in his 3rd playing year, but first year as WR
Clayton was in his sophomore year and statically had a better freshman year with a veteran Davey (47 rec 754 yards 6 TDs as a freshman)
Myers was in his 4th year playing and already had over 1650 yards and 6 TDs in his career.
Clayton 2nd year starting - 57 rec 749 yards 5 TDs
Henderson 1st year starting - 23 rec 447 yards 8 TDs
Meyers 4th year playing - 17 rec 181 yards
2014 WRs
Dural had 8 previous catches and was redshirt sophomore in 2014
Dupre was a true freshman
Diarse was a redshirt freshman
Dural 1st year starting - 37 rec 758 yards 7 TDs
Dupre 1st year starting - 14 rec 318 yards 5 TDs
Diarse 1st year playing - 15 rec 275 yards 3 TDs
What they lost in 2001 and 2013
Both teams had just lost a great 3000+ yard QB the year prior. The 2002 team lost the Biletnikoff winner from 2001, but brought back the nearly 1000 yard 19 TD starting RB. The 2014 team lost 1st round and 2nd round picks at WR plus a 1400 yard 16 TD RB from 2013.
Following Year Offensive Improvement
The next year in 2003, Mauck increased his TDs by 21, increased his completion percentage by 15.5, and increased his yards per attempt by 1.9. In a backup role, Randall increased his completion percentage by 14 and his yards per attempt by 3.6 (albeit it was just 40 attempts).
The offensive PPG went from 24.8 to 33.9
Conclusion
I'm not saying Harris will blow up and we win a national championship, just yet. We will still have to see how dominant our defense is and just how open we are on offense. But don't think it's not very possible considering something like this has happened before.
4 Year Cycle U
quote:
But if you think back to August of 2003, LSU was in a similar predicament: going 8-5 the previous season while losing three of its last four, returning a pair of quarterbacks who split time the previous year, both failing to complete 50 percent of their passes.
But early in 2003, Matt Mauck took over the starting role at quarterback, and a defense that was expected to be pretty nasty developed into one of the most dominant college football has seen in recent years.
There are plenty of differences between that team and this one, but if LSU finds a quarterback that matches Mauck’s sturdy reliability, there’s reason to believe the rest could fall into place.
SEC Subplots: LSU
Jimbo Fisher
Went into his 15th straight year as a college QB coach and 4th straight year as a college OC in 2002 (3rd year with LSU). Had been dealing with 18 year old QBs for a nearly a decade and a half straight prior to 2002.
Cam Cameron
Hadn't coached teenage QBs in 11 years. Did have 9 previous years as college QB coach back in the 90s and turn of the century, and 5 years as college HC. Went into his 2nd straight year as LSU's QB/OC in 2014.
2002 QBs
Mauck was a redshirt sophomore as well as Randall
Randall 87/181 (48.1%) 1173 yards 6.5 ypa 7 TDs 5 ints 109.72 QBR
Mauck 63/130 (48.5%) 782 yards 6.0 ypa 9 TDs 2 ints 118.8 QBR
Randall 348 rush yards 2 TDs
Mauck 176 rush yards 2 TDs
2014 QBs
Jennings true sophomore and Harris was a true freshman
Jennings 111/227 (48.9%) 1611 yards 7.1 ypa, 11 TDs 7 ints 118.33 QBR
Harris 25/45 (55.6%) 452 yards 10.0 ypa, 6 TDs 2 ints, 175.04 QBR
Jennings 292 rush yards
Harris 159 rush yards 3 TDs
2002 Offensive PPG
24.8
2014 Offensive PPG
24.5
2002 WRs
Devery was in his 3rd playing year, but first year as WR
Clayton was in his sophomore year and statically had a better freshman year with a veteran Davey (47 rec 754 yards 6 TDs as a freshman)
Myers was in his 4th year playing and already had over 1650 yards and 6 TDs in his career.
Clayton 2nd year starting - 57 rec 749 yards 5 TDs
Henderson 1st year starting - 23 rec 447 yards 8 TDs
Meyers 4th year playing - 17 rec 181 yards
2014 WRs
Dural had 8 previous catches and was redshirt sophomore in 2014
Dupre was a true freshman
Diarse was a redshirt freshman
Dural 1st year starting - 37 rec 758 yards 7 TDs
Dupre 1st year starting - 14 rec 318 yards 5 TDs
Diarse 1st year playing - 15 rec 275 yards 3 TDs
What they lost in 2001 and 2013
Both teams had just lost a great 3000+ yard QB the year prior. The 2002 team lost the Biletnikoff winner from 2001, but brought back the nearly 1000 yard 19 TD starting RB. The 2014 team lost 1st round and 2nd round picks at WR plus a 1400 yard 16 TD RB from 2013.
Following Year Offensive Improvement
The next year in 2003, Mauck increased his TDs by 21, increased his completion percentage by 15.5, and increased his yards per attempt by 1.9. In a backup role, Randall increased his completion percentage by 14 and his yards per attempt by 3.6 (albeit it was just 40 attempts).
The offensive PPG went from 24.8 to 33.9
Conclusion
I'm not saying Harris will blow up and we win a national championship, just yet. We will still have to see how dominant our defense is and just how open we are on offense. But don't think it's not very possible considering something like this has happened before.
4 Year Cycle U
Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:53 pm to Datbayoubengal
So what you're saying is that Brandon Harris will become a dentist in Colorado?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:21 am to Datbayoubengal
I actually enjoyed reading this. Thank you.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:25 am to Monday
People need to relax. I trust Miles as our Coach especially considering the great moves he's made on the staff recently.
Grimes
Coach O
Tony Ball is working with some great Talent
Steele has a lot of football knowledge (still iffy on this one)
2015 will be special and fun.
Grimes
Coach O
Tony Ball is working with some great Talent
Steele has a lot of football knowledge (still iffy on this one)
2015 will be special and fun.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:25 am to Datbayoubengal
To be fair though in 2002 Mauck was really starting to come into his own when he went down late in the win at Florida.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:49 am to etm512
That's right that year would have been a whole lot different if he hadn't gotten hurt.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:18 am to Datbayoubengal
This year's Auburn game is going to feel a lot like the '03 Georgia game.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:28 am to Datbayoubengal
quote:
But if you think back to August of 2003, LSU was in a similar predicament: going 8-5 the previous season while losing three of its last four, returning a pair of quarterbacks who split time the previous year, both failing to complete 50 percent of their passes.
But early in 2003, Matt Mauck took over the starting role at quarterback, and a defense that was expected to be pretty nasty developed into one of the most dominant college football has seen in recent years.
I don't really like this comparison.
The writer fails to mention the crucial fact that Mauck was 24-years-old as he entered the 2003 season. Just like Brandon Weeden at Oklahoma State in recent memory, those extra few years of maturity can make a big difference when it comes to leadership and just a general understanding of the quarterback position.
Also, Mauck was much more of a proven commodity than Harris. People seem to overlook that pivotal road win against a #16-ranked Florida led by former Heisman Trophy candidate Rex Grossman.
My point being, Mauck already had a marquee win as he entered the 2003 season.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 9:56 am
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:49 am to saint amant steve
quote:
I don't really like this comparison.
The writer fails to mention the crucial fact that Mauck was 24-years-old as he entered the 2003 season. Just like Brandon Weeden at Oklahoma State in recent memory, those extra few years of maturity can make a big difference when it comes to leadership and just a general understanding of the quarterback position.
Also, Mauck was much more of a proven commodity than Harris. People seem to overlook that pivotal road win against a #16-ranked Florida team coached by Spurrier and led by former Heisman Trophy candidate Rex Grossman.
My point being, Mauck already had a marquee win as he entered the 2003 season.
2002 was Zook's first year, Spurrier was already gone.
One awesome win against a team that finished 8-5 along with average-at-best performances against some bad teams and a pretty bad showing against VT is hardly a record that screams "National Championship Next Year!"; 2002 Matt Mauck really wasn't very good.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:01 am to studentsect
quote:
2002 was Zook's first year, Spurrier was already gone.
It sure was, my bad.
quote:
One awesome win against a team that finished 8-5 along with average-at-best performances against some bad teams and a pretty bad showing against VT is hardly a record that screams "National Championship Next Year!"; 2002 Matt Mauck really wasn't very good.
At that point in the season, Florida's only two losses were against eventual national championship runner-up Miami and a three-point road loss at Ole Miss. They already beat a top-five Tennessee team in Knoxville when they played LSU and later beat the SEC Champion Georgia Bulldogs.
I don't think you're giving that Florida team it's just due.
As another poster already mentioned, Mauck appeared to turn the corner in that game. I honestly believe that team would have won the West if not for Mauck's injury.
At the time, that was arguably LSU's biggest regular season win since the 1997 game against Florida.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:47 pm to saint amant steve
quote:Not a bold assertion in any way. LSU was the Markham Miracle away from winning the West in 2002 anyway with atrocious Marcus Randall at the helm.
I honestly believe that team would have won the West if not for Mauck's injury.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:49 pm to MetArl15
quote:
Not a bold assertion in any way. LSU was the Markham Miracle away from winning the West in 2002 anyway with atrocious Marcus Randall at the helm.
That was such a tough game to watch. And then it felt like deja vu in 2008 when we lost again to Arkansas in a similar fashion.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:51 pm to Monday
quote:
by Monday I actually enjoyed reading this. Thank you.
And the only thing I'd note of difference is the rest of the SEC IMHO is better now than in '02 '03 and the coaching is better now in the league.
I'm excited about the next 4 years in BR!
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:11 pm to etm512
quote:And don't forget how instrumental Mauck was in winning the SECCG in 2001.
To be fair though in 2002 Mauck was really starting to come into his own when he went down late in the win at Florida.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:34 pm to studentsect
quote:
One awesome win against a team that finished 8-5 along with average-at-best performances against some bad teams and a pretty bad showing against VT is hardly a record that screams "National Championship Next Year!"; 2002 Matt Mauck really wasn't very good.
You're going to get downvoted to bejesus for this but it's true. Even before Mauck got hurt there were people calling for Randall to start since he was supposedly more athletic. People are viewing Mauck's career in hindsight.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:42 pm to Datbayoubengal
First off in 2002 Mauck was actually playing pretty well after the whole team struggled in that opener in Blacksburg. LSU was rolling and Saban or Fisher calls a QB draw with the game well in hand and loses Mauck for the season and Randall had to step in.
In 2003 that dline was unbelievable, probably the best LSU has ever had. LSU Dline is not near that strength this year.
In 2003 that dline was unbelievable, probably the best LSU has ever had. LSU Dline is not near that strength this year.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:46 pm to Salviati
quote:
And don't forget how instrumental Mauck was in winning the SECCG in 2001.
With his legs. I was at that game and he had guys wide open in the 2nd half and his accuracy was very poor. Even the UT players years later said how poorly they played against him shutting down the run when he struggled so much passing. I'm not dumping on him as it remains one of my favorite comeback wins. To further my point here is his stat line at V Tech in early 2002:
Passing Cmp-Att-Int Yds TD Long Sack
--------------------------------------------
Matt Mauck 15-35-1 134 0 17 4
Totals... 15-35-1 134 0 17 4
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:48 pm to Datbayoubengal
2002 QBs
Mauck was a redshirt sophomore as well as Randall
Randall 87/181 (48.1%) 1173 yards 6.5 ypa 7 TDs 5 ints 109.72 QBR
Mauck 63/130 (48.5%) 782 yards 6.0 ypa 9 TDs 2 ints 118.8 QBR
Randall 348 rush yards 2 TDs
Mauck 176 rush yards 2 TDs
2005 QBs
Russell was a redshirt sophomore
Russell 188/311 (60.5%) 2443 yards 7.9 ypa 15 TDs 9 ints 136.6 QBR
Russell -22 rush yards 2 TD
2014 QBs
Jennings true sophomore and Harris was a true freshman
Jennings 111/227 (48.9%) 1611 yards 7.1 ypa, 11 TDs 7 ints 118.33 QBR
Harris 25/45 (55.6%) 452 yards 10.0 ypa, 6 TDs 2 ints, 175.04 QBR
Jennings 292 rush yards
Harris 159 rush yards 3 TDs
2002 Offensive PPG
24.8
2005 Offensive PPG
29.5
2014 Offensive PPG
24.5
2002 WRs
Devery was in his 3rd playing year, but first year as WR
Clayton was in his sophomore year and statically had a better freshman year with a veteran Davey (47 rec 754 yards 6 TDs as a freshman)
Myers was in his 4th year playing and already had over 1650 yards and 6 TDs in his career.
Clayton 2nd year starting - 57 rec 749 yards 5 TDs
Henderson 1st year starting - 23 rec 447 yards 8 TDs
Meyers 4th year playing - 17 rec 181 yards
2005 WRs
Bowe was in his third playing year
Davis was in his third playing year
Doucet was in his second playing year
Bowe third year playing - 41 rec 710 yards 9 TDs
Davis third year playing - 35 rec 559 yards 2 TDs
Doucet second year playing - 26 rec 389 yards 5 TDs
2014 WRs
Dural had 8 previous catches and was redshirt sophomore in 2014
Dupre was a true freshman
Diarse was a redshirt freshman
Dural 1st year starting - 37 rec 758 yards 7 TDs
Dupre 1st year starting - 14 rec 318 yards 5 TDs
Diarse 1st year playing - 15 rec 275 yards 3 TDs [/quote]
Mauck was a redshirt sophomore as well as Randall
Randall 87/181 (48.1%) 1173 yards 6.5 ypa 7 TDs 5 ints 109.72 QBR
Mauck 63/130 (48.5%) 782 yards 6.0 ypa 9 TDs 2 ints 118.8 QBR
Randall 348 rush yards 2 TDs
Mauck 176 rush yards 2 TDs
2005 QBs
Russell was a redshirt sophomore
Russell 188/311 (60.5%) 2443 yards 7.9 ypa 15 TDs 9 ints 136.6 QBR
Russell -22 rush yards 2 TD
2014 QBs
Jennings true sophomore and Harris was a true freshman
Jennings 111/227 (48.9%) 1611 yards 7.1 ypa, 11 TDs 7 ints 118.33 QBR
Harris 25/45 (55.6%) 452 yards 10.0 ypa, 6 TDs 2 ints, 175.04 QBR
Jennings 292 rush yards
Harris 159 rush yards 3 TDs
2002 Offensive PPG
24.8
2005 Offensive PPG
29.5
2014 Offensive PPG
24.5
2002 WRs
Devery was in his 3rd playing year, but first year as WR
Clayton was in his sophomore year and statically had a better freshman year with a veteran Davey (47 rec 754 yards 6 TDs as a freshman)
Myers was in his 4th year playing and already had over 1650 yards and 6 TDs in his career.
Clayton 2nd year starting - 57 rec 749 yards 5 TDs
Henderson 1st year starting - 23 rec 447 yards 8 TDs
Meyers 4th year playing - 17 rec 181 yards
2005 WRs
Bowe was in his third playing year
Davis was in his third playing year
Doucet was in his second playing year
Bowe third year playing - 41 rec 710 yards 9 TDs
Davis third year playing - 35 rec 559 yards 2 TDs
Doucet second year playing - 26 rec 389 yards 5 TDs
2014 WRs
Dural had 8 previous catches and was redshirt sophomore in 2014
Dupre was a true freshman
Diarse was a redshirt freshman
Dural 1st year starting - 37 rec 758 yards 7 TDs
Dupre 1st year starting - 14 rec 318 yards 5 TDs
Diarse 1st year playing - 15 rec 275 yards 3 TDs [/quote]
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:51 pm to saint amant steve
At that point in the season, Florida's only two losses were against eventual national championship runner-up Miami and a three-point road loss at Ole Miss. They already beat a top-five Tennessee team in Knoxville when they played LSU and later beat the SEC Champion Georgia Bulldogs.
I don't think you're giving that Florida team it's just due.
As another poster already mentioned, Mauck appeared to turn the corner in that game. I honestly believe that team would have won the West if not for Mauck's injury.
At the time, that was arguably LSU's biggest regular season win since the 1997 game against Florida.
That 2002 Florida team ended up producing a fair-number of IMPACTING future NFL players. Many of them were underclassmen on this team.
I don't think you're giving that Florida team it's just due.
As another poster already mentioned, Mauck appeared to turn the corner in that game. I honestly believe that team would have won the West if not for Mauck's injury.
At the time, that was arguably LSU's biggest regular season win since the 1997 game against Florida.
That 2002 Florida team ended up producing a fair-number of IMPACTING future NFL players. Many of them were underclassmen on this team.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:10 pm to Datbayoubengal
always felt like jerel myers was kinda underrated
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