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re: Louis Coleman's draft stock...
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:47 pm to tduecen
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:47 pm to tduecen
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I am reading on rant Coleman is top 10, first round etc. I do not think so, I listed a few players fans assumed the same thing about. Both players had their cup of coffee and never lasted obviously.
I also stated that Coleman would probably make it to AAA and maybe get a September call up.
Please read before you flame, but I know that is still asking too much.
Nobody flamed you. But you somewhat insinuated that they were highly thought of players that never threw a pitch in the majors. If your were taken out of context, my bad. But others seemed to have taken your sentence to mean the same thing I did, which is that they didn't make the majors.
Of that group, Yarnell was the highest regarded in regard to upside. Mestepey couldn't hit 87 and everyone knew that he was a great college pitcher that would be lucky to do much past that point. Like a Jason Detterman that was more highly regarded coming in but injuries left him as a good college player and that was it.
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:50 pm to bazeball
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I was talking to a pair of scouts before the Kentucky series and I asked about Coleman. One said 7-10th round, the other said 10th-15th. Both agreed that big league clubs would fear him to be injury prone due to throwing across his body (ala Kerry Wood). I thought that was interesting.
Throwing across the body is hard on the arm. I asked earlier if Coleman had a previous injury, but it wasn't answered. Anyone know?
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:51 pm to mametoo
Yes, he did, I forget what it is though.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:52 pm to josh336
Thanks Josh. I thought he had one, but wasn't sure.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:53 pm to josh336
He changed his motion due to the injury and he's better than he was before. Don't remember the exact injury though.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:55 pm to Lester Earl
LHP Eddie Yarnall, Jr., (9-1, 2.34 ERA)
Brett Laxton, Sr., (7-2, 3.73 ERA)
both in their final season at LSU, respectable W/L and ERA
Brett Laxton, Sr., (7-2, 3.73 ERA)
both in their final season at LSU, respectable W/L and ERA
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:59 pm to tduecen
i know
Yaranll was a big left, got drafted early. Same with Tallet
im talking about Laxton(26th round)
Bumstead(like the 40th)
Mestepay(undrafted)
Coleman is at least a 14th round pick
which is why i say already, he is a better prospect than those guys
Yaranll was a big left, got drafted early. Same with Tallet
im talking about Laxton(26th round)
Bumstead(like the 40th)
Mestepay(undrafted)
Coleman is at least a 14th round pick
which is why i say already, he is a better prospect than those guys
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:04 pm to Lester Earl
Well I even stated that I could see him going no earlier than 5th round. I just don't think he has much upside.
I see similarities between him and some former Tiger pitchers who LSU fans swore up and down would be great MLB pitchers.
Mestepey had he not gotten injured would have been drafted some where.
Coleman being only 190 LBS can add some weight and into a MLB training program could probably add a few MPH on his fastball
I see similarities between him and some former Tiger pitchers who LSU fans swore up and down would be great MLB pitchers.
Mestepey had he not gotten injured would have been drafted some where.
Coleman being only 190 LBS can add some weight and into a MLB training program could probably add a few MPH on his fastball
This post was edited on 3/30/09 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:04 pm to Lester Earl
Probably the closest comparison is Kurt Ainsworth (with the early-career injuries to both he and Coleman), although I do think Ainsworth had better stuff.
The injury didn't prevent Ainsworth from being drafted in the first round, but he never really got a shot with the Giants
The injury didn't prevent Ainsworth from being drafted in the first round, but he never really got a shot with the Giants
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:04 pm to tduecen
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Coleman being only 190 LBS can add some weight and into a MLB training program could probably add a few MPH on his fastball. Being left handed he automatically has a chance to being drafted higher than if he was right handed.
He is right handed.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:05 pm to LST
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He is right handed.
shhh....he's rolling
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:06 pm to mametoo
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Throwing across the body is hard on the arm. I asked earlier if Coleman had a previous injury, but it wasn't answered. Anyone know?
Yeah. His freshman year he was a Tuesday night starter, and threw a big overhand curveball. Had arm troubles and surgeries, and took a redshirt year. Came back with a new delivery.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:07 pm to ProjectP2294
then I take back my statement, probably 7th or lower
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:07 pm to Cold Cous Cous
yeah, though Ainsworth was no doubt a starter coming out...at least projected to be. I know he ended up in the pen.
I think Coleman will be a reliever all the way.
I think Coleman will be a reliever all the way.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:08 pm to Lester Earl
Coleman would be best going the coaching route...
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:09 pm to Lester Earl
I think Ainsworth was a fifth starter his one year in the bigs...
Yeah. According to baseball reference he had 29 appearances; 22 starts. Apparently he also got traded and played for the Orioles for a short time. 5.19 career era
Yeah. According to baseball reference he had 29 appearances; 22 starts. Apparently he also got traded and played for the Orioles for a short time. 5.19 career era
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:16 pm to Cold Cous Cous
Ainsworth is a good comparison IMO. Different delivery and Ainsworth was just a starter, which is what sets Coleman apart in a good way.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:18 pm to tduecen
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Coleman would be best going the coaching route...
first he's LHP now he should be a coach? lol
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:20 pm to tduecen
Coleman has the stuff to get guys out in the majors. I don't know what scouting report you are using, but his slider is a plus pitch and he has excellent command of his fastball. His delivery is very deceiving and could actually add 2-3 MPH on his fastball without losing control with a better strength and conditioning program. IMO, I think he gets drafted rounds 3-5.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:23 pm to tduecen
quote:we're supposed to respect your opinion on coleman when you didnt even know he was a RHP? You claim to have watched him pitch. Were you watching the game through a mirror or something?
tduecen
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