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re: Louis Coleman's draft stock...

Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:22 pm to
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Do teams usually take chances on pitchers with control problems in the later rounds if they have upsides with their velocity and a breaking balls?



only every year
Posted by mametoo
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:24 pm to
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My point is that Byrd hasn't had a "dominant out pitch" in ten years IMO. Throwing 92 in the majors isn't an out pitch. His change of speeds has been his biggest weapon along with staying in the zone.

Coleman is in the zone, has a tough delivery to stay with, has shown the improvement each year and versatility that makes him a nice commodity, and does have a great slider set up by a good fastball. He's not a guy that has Renaudo type fastball velocity but he can get it up there when need be.


Agreed
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:24 pm to
There are so many rounds in baseball that they pick players in the first ten rounds if they have 60 times that are above average. If Mitchell was hitting 270 instead of 370 he would still be in the first 12 rounds due to his speed.
Posted by mametoo
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:24 pm to
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look at some of best players/pitchers we have produced.
Brett Laxton, Ed Yarnell,


Didn't both of those guys play MLB?
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:26 pm to
LE, just referencing some of pitchers who have come out of LSU.
Bumstead is more of a hard thrower, of course Laxton was in college then arm trouble took away his velocity.
Posted by LST
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:27 pm to
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only every year






Just curious b/c I know someone throwing in the 90s from the left side and has a shite ton of strike outs but also alot of walks. He has had some people looking at him, but I was just wondering the chances of him actually getting a shot.
Posted by Tiger Authority
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:27 pm to
Yarnell was in the majors.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:28 pm to
Bumstead wasnt a very hard thrower though


Coleman is better than any of those guys listed
Posted by Tiger Authority
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

Just curious b/c I know someone throwing in the 90s from the left side and has a shite ton of strike outs but also alot of walks. He has had some people looking at him, but I was just wondering the chances of him actually getting a shot.


Lefties that throw in the 90's are a hot commodity.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:29 pm to
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throwing in the 90s from the left side


Unless he is a complete eff-up he will get a look, and maybe even if he is a complete eff-up, I mean they drafted Josh Hamilton in the first round.
Posted by mametoo
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

Just curious b/c I know someone throwing in the 90s from the left side and has a shite ton of strike outs but also alot of walks. He has had some people looking at him, but I was just wondering the chances of him actually getting a shot.


The pro mentality is that they can teach a hard thrower how to pitch, but they can't teach someone to throw hard.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:29 pm to
Brett Laxton and Ed Yarnell both got to be September call-ups. Neither stayed on a MLB roster for entire season.

Laxton career stats... 0-2 26.3 innings 7.86 ERA
Ed Yarnell... 1-0 20 innings 5.40 ERA

stats from baseball-reference.com
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:30 pm to
They will draft on any and everything hoping to find that Mike Piazza that turns into a monster for the organization but was drafted near the bottom.
Posted by mametoo
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
3220 posts
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

Brett Laxton and Ed Yarnell both got to be September call-ups


So the answer is yes, they were MLB players. Thanks.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

Baseball is the hardest sport to get to majors in, look at some of best players/pitchers we have produced.
Brett Laxton, Ed Yarnell, Lane Mestepey, Nate Bumstead.


Well I would still consider this statement to be wrong.
Posted by LST
Member since Jan 2007
16316 posts
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:32 pm to
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Unless he is a complete eff-up he will get a look, and maybe even if he is a complete eff-up, I mean they drafted Josh Hamilton in the first round.


Josh Hamilton wasn't a f-up when he was drafted FWIW.


But anyway, it sounds like a good chance then.
This post was edited on 3/30/09 at 3:34 pm
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:35 pm to
If someone would pay attention to the reading comprehension classes that everyone is required to take.

I said baseball is a hard sport to get to majors. I listed LSU players who fans considered great. Never once did I type "THESE PLAYERS DID NOT MAKE IT TO MAJORS".

I am reading on rant Coleman is top 10, first round etc. I do not think so, I listed a few players fans assumed the same thing about. Both players had their cup of coffee and never lasted obviously.

I also stated that Coleman would probably make it to AAA and maybe get a September call up.

Please read before you flame, but I know that is still asking too much.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279469 posts
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:42 pm to
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I listed a few players fans assumed the same thing about


again, compare their numbers to Coleman's combined numbers from the last 2 years.


shite just look at where they were drafted. It kinda speaks for it. I thin Yarnall was the only high draft pick of that group
Posted by bazeball
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Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:45 pm to
I was talking to a pair of scouts before the Kentucky series and I asked about Coleman. One said 7-10th round, the other said 10th-15th. Both agreed that big league clubs would fear him to be injury prone due to throwing across his body (ala Kerry Wood). I thought that was interesting.
Posted by mametoo
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
3220 posts
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:46 pm to
No one knows who will have a long MLB career. Jamie Moyer can't throw 85, but has been in the bigs forever. No, Coleman doesn't light up the radar gun or have an unhittable split-finger, but he throws strikes, moves the ball around, and isn't afraid. He will not be a first round pick, but who knows what may happen in the future? To say that he is a AAA pitcher or may get a September call up is silly.
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