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Les leaving LSU would be really really bad for us.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:47 pm
I havent been on the Rant in a month and i'm sure this has been discussed at legnth. But I wanted to get into some conversation about it and see everyones opinion and or/if it has changed since the bowl game.
I support Les, always have, I think he is a good coach and recruiter. He keeps coordinators around too long and that hurts him and he isnt the best at clock management. Two negatives that stand out to me. But I think the things he does good outweigh the negatives.
People from Louisiana, WE are crazy. I openly admit that. Im sure most of you would agree. Les is crazy, I admit that, im sure most of you agree. Thats part of the reason I think its a good fit.
Also this recruiting class is a monster of a class. A coaching change right now would be devestating to it imo. We are bringing in a good bit of kids from out of state and I think losing Les would seriously put a hurt on the overall class.
And I cant help but think about Miami. Everyone called for Larry Cokers head because he was an idiot and a terrible coach and he only won because of Butch Davis' recruiting. Im not saying Les is Coker, bc I think Miles is a much better coach, but the situation is similiar. Miami was still a powerhouse under Coker. What have they been since? We have 4 of our 6 11 win seasons under Miles. I could easily see that taking a dive if Les gets canned and we bring in someone who cant keep the ball rolling. It is not a definite that we can bring in someone that atleast maintains what Les is doing. If you think that is a guarantee, then you are fooling yourself.
I support Les, always have, I think he is a good coach and recruiter. He keeps coordinators around too long and that hurts him and he isnt the best at clock management. Two negatives that stand out to me. But I think the things he does good outweigh the negatives.
People from Louisiana, WE are crazy. I openly admit that. Im sure most of you would agree. Les is crazy, I admit that, im sure most of you agree. Thats part of the reason I think its a good fit.
Also this recruiting class is a monster of a class. A coaching change right now would be devestating to it imo. We are bringing in a good bit of kids from out of state and I think losing Les would seriously put a hurt on the overall class.
And I cant help but think about Miami. Everyone called for Larry Cokers head because he was an idiot and a terrible coach and he only won because of Butch Davis' recruiting. Im not saying Les is Coker, bc I think Miles is a much better coach, but the situation is similiar. Miami was still a powerhouse under Coker. What have they been since? We have 4 of our 6 11 win seasons under Miles. I could easily see that taking a dive if Les gets canned and we bring in someone who cant keep the ball rolling. It is not a definite that we can bring in someone that atleast maintains what Les is doing. If you think that is a guarantee, then you are fooling yourself.
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Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:54 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I'll admit, I did waver on Les a little when he was sticking with JJ while JL was playing better, but have always thought he did a great job. I've questioned GC's offensive play calling, and have held CLM responsible for allowing him to coach the offense to bottom 10th percentile production. Of all the names I've seen thrown out there to replace CLM, no one has proven to be absolutely better than CLM.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:58 pm to TigerWilson88
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Of all the names I've seen thrown out there to replace CLM, no one has proven to be absolutely better than CLM.
Out of all the coaches in the country, I might choose 5 or 6 over Les... And none of those 5 or 6 are coming here.
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I'll admit, I did waver on Les a little when he was sticking with JJ while JL was playing better
I think everybody did atleast for a little bit. But every coach makes decisions that the fans dont like. Most places just dont call for the coaches head right away.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:00 pm to iwyLSUiwy
To all those folks who wanted Miles gone.... Be carefull what you wish for.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:01 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:A good analogy. Another one is the post Cholly Mac era at LSU - coaching instability for 20-some years, with a short break under Arnsparger. I see the same potential if we manage to run CLM off to Michigan.
I cant help but think about Miami.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:04 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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Be carefull what you wish for.
I actually meant to end my post with that
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:05 pm to TigerFanNKaty
My biggest concern is also what happens to us in recruiting and who would we get. Joe Alleva or however you spell his name has not had to make a major coaching hire, so this is going to be his first one. I think Skip Bertman helped him with Trent Johnson, although I could be wrong. But anyway, it just concerns me a lot because Duke didn't have a good football team during Alleva's tenure there.
And all those who can't wait to see Miles leave - it's true - you could do a lot worse. I'd be interested to see for those who want Miles out so bad to see who you would suggest as a replacement. The only one that comes to mind for me that I'd be interested in is Chris Petersen out of Boise State. And he is unproven as well.
And all those who can't wait to see Miles leave - it's true - you could do a lot worse. I'd be interested to see for those who want Miles out so bad to see who you would suggest as a replacement. The only one that comes to mind for me that I'd be interested in is Chris Petersen out of Boise State. And he is unproven as well.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:07 pm to JawjaTigah
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I see the same potential if we manage to run CLM off to Michigan.
Kind of scares me that he is taking an interview. There is atleast some interest there.
Didnt think he would considering his "I love it here in Louisiana" comment after the cotten bowl.
But, enough of the fans wanted him gone, and he knows that, I could see him leaving.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:08 pm to Tigerbrees76
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My biggest concern is also what happens to us in recruiting
long as they keep Wilson, this years class will be fine
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:12 pm to Tigerbrees76
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The only one that comes to mind for me that I'd be interested in is Chris Petersen out of Boise State. And he is unproven as well.
I think he's pretty proven. Just dont know if I would want him. Maybe Chip Kelly or Dan Mullen. But I dont really see either of them leaving.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:16 pm to iwyLSUiwy
The TCU coach would be a pretty interesting guy to get also but I dunno if he'd leave. He practically walks on water there as far as his fan base is concerned.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:18 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Look, you're either brain-dead or lying if Miles' coaching style has not left you frustrated or questioning him from time to time. I also think you're lying if you say at no point you have ever wondered, "man, if only we had coach XYZ here this shite wouldn't happen."
However, that's different from truly endorsing his dismissal or sitting there on Jan 10, 2011 and saying "good riddance to Miles if he goes because we'd be better off without him."
If you want Miles gone, it's only because you have a personal problem with the guy. You can't honestly think him leaving would be better for the program. You just can't.
1. The Past. His record, though not perfect (FYI no one is) is damn strong, and the best in the history of the school.
2. The Future. We have what, 17 returning starters and are are poised to make a serious MNC run this year and in less than a month are likely to sign the best of many great recruiting classes.
However, that's different from truly endorsing his dismissal or sitting there on Jan 10, 2011 and saying "good riddance to Miles if he goes because we'd be better off without him."
If you want Miles gone, it's only because you have a personal problem with the guy. You can't honestly think him leaving would be better for the program. You just can't.
1. The Past. His record, though not perfect (FYI no one is) is damn strong, and the best in the history of the school.
2. The Future. We have what, 17 returning starters and are are poised to make a serious MNC run this year and in less than a month are likely to sign the best of many great recruiting classes.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:19 pm to iwyLSUiwy
No it wouldn't.
Go back to the movie board.
Go back to the movie board.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:22 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:I know and it makes me sad because earlier this season, I was one of the big mouths along here who lost confidence in this coach and fanned the flames of discontent.
But, enough of the fans wanted him gone, and he knows that, I could see him leaving.
But I was wrong, and want Coach Miles to stay.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:22 pm to Tigerbrees76
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The TCU coach would be a pretty interesting guy to get also but I dunno if he'd leave. He practically walks on water there as far as his fan base is concerned.
I think we could if we threw the rt money at them. But i dont think we would throw the money at them. Plus most people agree that for what we are paying les we could find better. I say we cant, i say we would have to pony up even more if we want better.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:24 pm to Lacour
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No it wouldn't. Go back to the movie board
Go blow a grasshopper.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:24 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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Look, you're either brain-dead or lying if Miles' coaching style has not left you frustrated or questioning him from time to time. I also think you're lying if you say at no point you have ever wondered, "man, if only we had coach XYZ here this shite wouldn't happen."
I admitted earlier to questioning him at times.
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If you want Miles gone, it's only because you have a personal problem with the guy. You can't honestly think him leaving would be better for the program. You just can't.
I agree completely.
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The Future. We have what, 17 returning starters and are are poised to make a serious MNC run this year and in less than a month are likely to sign the best of many great recruiting classes.
16 I think. Im trying not to think about the NCG next year bc JJ is still our QB. I think if Mettenberger comes in and that rotation works then maybe. And if our D-line doesnt skip a beat then maybe.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:26 pm to Lacour
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No it wouldn't.
Care to explain why...
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Go back to the movie board
Go back to the OT. I think its funny I hate on your movie taste one or two times and you become a total douche like it broke your heart or something. I crack on peoples movie taste all the time and they get over it.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:28 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I admitted earlier to questioning him at times.
I've questioned him many times about all the games we could all rattle off in about 10 seconds. He's a quirky coach whose style can often leave you wondering "WTF just happened?"
BUT, I don't have a TV camera on me when I do my job either, and I"m sure the general public could say I'm an unorthodox cat as well.
You can't argue with results and he's gotten results and run a clean program. You can't think replacing him would not have a negative impact for all the reasons I listed and many more.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:28 pm to dgnx6
I personally wouldnt want Gary Patterson. Maybe its because I honestly feel that TCU isnt that good of a team and therefore their coach is overrated.
But he's a players coach. They like him. But he's crazy as hell too.
But he's a players coach. They like him. But he's crazy as hell too.
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