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re: La'el Collins reportedly signing with Cowboys
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:28 pm to tduecen
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:28 pm to tduecen
The difference between a late first and a 5th - 7th can be about 5.4 million over the length of a contract, plus signing bonus and any guaranteed money he could get next year.
Maybe he goes early second and the increase isn't as high, but if he does go late first the benefit is huge.
Maybe he goes early second and the increase isn't as high, but if he does go late first the benefit is huge.
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:32 pm to ragacamps
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His agent is an amature
a mature what?
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:32 pm to LSUfan4444
I think it's all for naught anyway as it appears he will get drafted tonight and probably end up signing, but if he is being told he was a top 20 talent this year, I think the first round next year is a definite possibility.
Like I said, either way is a gamble. You either gamble four years in the NFL or you gamble on going in the first or late second next year.
I don't think there is a right or wrong here and can certainly see both sides.
Like I said, either way is a gamble. You either gamble four years in the NFL or you gamble on going in the first or late second next year.
I don't think there is a right or wrong here and can certainly see both sides.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:37 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:Last year the last pick of the 1st round was Bridgewater who signed a 4 year 6.8m dollar deal with 3m signing bonus. So lets say 4 years 9.8m the last pick in the 5th round signed 4 year 2.4m deal with 150k signing bonus or 4 years for 2.55m so you are looking at a different of about 7m with signing bonus. That is assuming Collins will be a 1st round pick (which he won't after sitting out a year)
The difference between a late first and a 5th - 7th can be about 5.4 million over the length of a contract, plus signing bonus and any guaranteed money he could get next year.
So let us assume he gets drafted in the middle of the second round. He could sign a 4 year 4.7m deal with a 1.7m signing bonus or 6.4m over 4 years so we are now looking at a 4m dollar difference in the middle of second round vs the last pick of the 5th round.
Sitting out a year guarantees him not making the 1st round, I don't know the offensive line selections for next year but he would have to be a 2nd round pick to make any difference in money honestly and that is not a guarantee.
He is better off getting drafted in the 5th, 6th round this year and signing than he is sitting out and having to pay his agent/coaches/trainers/etc.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:40 pm to burdman
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be a 1st rounder in 16.
You think a team would spend a 1st round pick on a guy who hasn't played football in a year?
Not saying it won't happen, just find it hard to believe.
Ummm let's see there's this guy DGB who was just drafted in the first part of the 2nd round, with a whole lot more question marks than La'el would have in a year assuming he's exonerated.
I know DGB was on OK's team but he hasn't played in a year.
Bottom line is La'el is a first round talent and if he were to sit out a year i think he'd have a good chance to go in no worse than the 2nd round next year maybe even 1st.
Also, the amount of money he would receive has a UDF is pennies compared to what he would have received as a first rounder. I know half a million seems like a lot to you guys however it's not guaranteed and theres virtually no signing bonus. Additionally, he has nothing to lose, if he sits out and isn't draft next year he's in the same spot, i know he's a year older but football is about damage to the body not actual age....
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:45 pm to whodatigahbait
quote:But he has been practicing and getting coaching along with film room time.... big difference
Ummm let's see there's this guy DGB who was just drafted in the first part of the 2nd round, with a whole lot more question marks than La'el would have in a year assuming he's exonerated.
I know DGB was on OK's team but he hasn't played in a year.
quote:only without the 6 figures he could have earned this year and 1 year closer to being a FA... since UDFA only sign 3 year deals...
Additionally, he has nothing to lose, if he sits out and isn't draft next year he's in the same spot,
quote:That it is but no guarantee he would be a 1st or 2nd rounder next year? Here is the list of possible top 2016 draft picks for offensive lineman and I've heard of several but I don't know much about LINKthem
the amount of money he would receive has a UDF is pennies compared to what he would have received as a first rounder.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:48 pm to tduecen
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Last year the last pick of the 1st round was Bridgewater who signed a 4 year 6.8m dollar deal with 3m signing bonus. So lets say 4 years 9.8m the last pick in the 5th round signed 4 year 2.4m deal with 150k signing bonus or 4 years for 2.55m so you are looking at a different of about 7m with signing bonus. That is assuming Collins will be a 1st round pick (which he won't after sitting out a year)
So let us assume he gets drafted in the middle of the second round. He could sign a 4 year 4.7m deal with a 1.7m signing bonus or 6.4m over 4 years so we are now looking at a 4m dollar difference in the middle of second round vs the last pick of the 5th round.
Sitting out a year guarantees him not making the 1st round, I don't know the offensive line selections for next year but he would have to be a 2nd round pick to make any difference in money honestly and that is not a guarantee.
He is better off getting drafted in the 5th, 6th round this year and signing than he is sitting out and having to pay his agent/coaches/trainers/etc.
obviously weren't a finance major?
First off why wont he be drafted in the 1st round next year? if he is really cleared then there's no reason not to, this a special case of someone sitting out and DGB sat out a year bc he got kicked off a team and he got drafted in the 10 picks of the 2nd round.
Second the signing bonus is a HUGE difference that's guaranteed money, that's a bid deal.
Lastly, look at it this way assuming your second round scenario next year verse 5th round scenario this year. in the 5th round he'd make ~640K per year. in the second round next year including the year he's sitting out he'd make around 1.28 per year over the next 5 years. Now i realize in the latter scenario he'd be on his 2nd contract but i'd rather sit out the year, get the money up front and make more over the next 5 years.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:51 pm to tduecen
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Ummm let's see there's this guy DGB who was just drafted in the first part of the 2nd round, with a whole lot more question marks than La'el would have in a year assuming he's exonerated.
I know DGB was on OK's team but he hasn't played in a year.
But he has been practicing and getting coaching along with film room time.... big difference
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Additionally, he has nothing to lose, if he sits out and isn't draft next year he's in the same spot,
only without the 6 figures he could have earned this year and 1 year closer to being a FA... since UDFA only sign 3 year deals...
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the amount of money he would receive has a UDF is pennies compared to what he would have received as a first rounder.
That it is but no guarantee he would be a 1st or 2nd rounder next year? Here is the list of possible top 2016 draft picks for offensive lineman and I've heard of several but I don't know much about LINKthem
ok so La'el gets a GA job at LSU and so he's still in the film room and is an assistant coach working out with the team and is around the game that way. Working on his mental side of the game alongside Grimes. With his versatility, coach-ability, and high character i'd say he'd be pretty even with DGB considering all the bad pub he's gotten.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:52 pm to whodatigahbait
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RT @WAFB: #BREAKING: infant child of Brittney Mills died earlier today at local hospital. The shooting of Mills is still under investigation
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:54 pm to whodatigahbait
I just added the signing bonus to the deal they signed, not really that hard and gave a clear picture of what the player made.
quote:He sat out a year, it is really easy
irst off why wont he be drafted in the 1st round next year?
quote:No DGB was on a team getting practice reps, getting coaching, was in a film room
DGB sat out a year bc he got kicked off a team and he got drafted in the 10 picks of the 2nd round
quote:or he sits out and gets hurt working out and thus makes even less.... Of course sitting out a year unless he is in the first 2 rounds it makes 0 sense
Lastly, look at it this way assuming your second round scenario next year verse 5th round scenario this year. in the 5th round he'd make ~640K per year. in the second round next year including the year he's sitting out he'd make around 1.28 per year over the next 5 years. Now i realize in the latter scenario he'd be on his 2nd contract but i'd rather sit out the year, get the money up front and make more over the next 5 years.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:56 pm to whodatigahbait
quote:He would have to re-enter school, which nothing has been said... he would barely get paid so again no scholarship (assuming since I do not know his grades/etc) means his agent is paying for everything. He would also need to pay since he could not work out with the team and would have to do it on the side. Maybe Grimes and Moffit devote time to him on the side of their normal jobs, who knows.
ok so La'el gets a GA job at LSU and so he's still in the film room and is an assistant coach working out with the team and is around the game that way. Working on his mental side of the game alongside Grimes. With his versatility, coach-ability, and high character i'd say he'd be pretty even with DGB considering all the bad pub he's gotten.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:56 pm to LosLobos111
Damn so sad about the baby whoever did this is going to pay and I don't care who did it I hope the find the killer
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:58 pm to Byrdybyrd05
They need to find the killer, I know this is big because it involves an LSU athlete and one who has potential in the NFL, but damn still fricked up.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:59 pm to LosLobos111
Makes me so damn mad.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 8:01 pm to tduecen
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ok so La'el gets a GA job at LSU and so he's still in the film room and is an assistant coach working out with the team and is around the game that way. Working on his mental side of the game alongside Grimes. With his versatility, coach-ability, and high character i'd say he'd be pretty even with DGB considering all the bad pub he's gotten.
He would have to re-enter school, which nothing has been said... he would barely get paid so again no scholarship (assuming since I do not know his grades/etc) means his agent is paying for everything. He would also need to pay since he could not work out with the team and would have to do it on the side. Maybe Grimes and Moffit devote time to him on the side of their normal jobs, who knows.
Doesn't have to be a GA could be one of those offensive quality control coaches like Shea Patterson's brother had.
When's the last time an LSU player got injured working out? (Lelamafo doesn't count, he hurt himself)
I'm not saying siting out isn't a risk but given the money and the upside that's his best round to a big payday.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 8:03 pm to whodatigahbait
quote:Unless he is guaranteed a 1st round pick next year I don't see an upside.... If the dude earns a starting job then guess what after 3 years a team will lock him up with a new larger contract. The thing is if he doesn't pan out then sitting out and hopefully getting a "bigger" contract makes a ton of sense.
I'm not saying siting out isn't a risk but given the money and the upside that's his best round to a big payday.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 8:08 pm to tgr4ever
If he plays in Canada, I think he loses his eligibility to be drafted.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 8:17 pm to tduecen
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Unless he is guaranteed a 1st round pick next year I don't see an upside.... If the dude earns a starting job then guess what after 3 years a team will lock him up with a new larger contract. The thing is if he doesn't pan out then sitting out and hopefully getting a "bigger" contract makes a ton of sense
dont see the upside? you said it yourself it's the difference in 4 million dollars. that is definitely worth the risk and he has the opportunity for more guaranteed money and he's get the same 2nd contract....
Posted on 5/1/15 at 8:25 pm to whodatigahbait
quote:2nd contract is completely different that the 1st, where he is drafted has no real impact, how other players get paid has impact.
he's get the same 2nd contract....
quote:that is if is the middle of 2nd round (basically 44th pick is what I went with) vs being the last pick in the 5th round. Again no guarantee in him being that high a 2nd round pick or that late of a 5th. round pick. If he goes in the 4th round the difference is about 1.5m which then you have to take into account sitting out a year + who he has to pay which probably makes the difference negligible
you said it yourself it's the difference in 4 million dollars.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 8:27 pm to whodatigahbait
Where does La'el get the balls to tell the GMs of the NFL that he's worth/deserves that 4 million dollars? If he goes back into the draft in 2016 I wouldn't be surprised to see those GMs pass on him again because of his sense of entitlement
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