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re: La'el Collins reportedly signing with Cowboys
Posted on 5/1/15 at 6:50 pm to LSUfan4444
Posted on 5/1/15 at 6:50 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:UDFA receive a 3 year contract.... late round picks can get a 4 year deal.... 4 years at 300-500k + incentives could put him well over half a million a year. Michael Ford UDFA is making 495k this year after a 3 year 1.985 million deal....
But, you either take risks on a four year shitty contract or take risks for one year and gamble on yourself you will significantly improve your stock.
There are worse things than receiving a 6 figure salary, if he sits out a year he misses that salary for the POSSIBILITY of making a bit more? The only way he makes significantly more is by being a 1st or 2nd round pick.
quote:a 100% bigger risk, it is better to play, if he gets hurt during the year there is a possibility he is a bouncer at Reggies than working in the NFL. If he is drafted and gets hurt a team still pays his salary for that season. Also you are predicting he still gets drafted near the top of the rounds, which probably doesn't happen for a guy who hasn't played in a year and sat out.
it seems to me that the least riskiest path to a big pay day is sitting out one year rather than playing four.
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 6:51 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:How many athletes get hurt working out again..... How many have "accidents" during the offseason/season?
Get hurt doing what? He isn't going to Canada
Posted on 5/1/15 at 6:51 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Could he sign a rookie deal then hold out after one year?
Posted on 5/1/15 at 6:52 pm to EmperorGout
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nd there is no scenario in which he is a first round pick next year.
I don't see why he wouldn't at least have a chance if he's cleared.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 6:53 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:Well he was considered a middle/late first round pick this year and sitting out for an entire year will help so much.
I don't see why he wouldn't at least have a chance if he's cleared.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 6:53 pm to funnystuff
Wide open bidding war? While Collins can pick where he wants to go in an UDFA he has no leverage. You need leverage if you want a bidding war.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 6:58 pm to TigerBait1127
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I don't see why he wouldn't at least have a chance if he's cleared.
It's not going to help his draft stock. It's going to hurt it, actually - especially given that his agent just tried to bully every team in the league into picking him today.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 6:59 pm to tduecen
Eh, the bigger risk is getting hurt under a 300k contract, much bigger risk. You don't just flush 12 to 15 million because six figures "isn't bad".
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:02 pm to EmperorGout
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It's not going to help his draft stock. It's going to hurt it, actually - especially given that his agent just tried to bully every team in the league into picking him today.
So you think he'd be picked 4th or later if cleared next year?
Come on
And teams won't give a damn about his agent. Agents are regulated and the pay is slotted
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:04 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:So you assume he will be a 1st round pick again? The most he can make being the 1st pick of the 2nd round about 5m over 4 years.... so where is the other 7-10m coming from? That is assuming he is the 1st pick of the 2nd round, if he is that last pick of the 2nd round he would make 3.4 over 4 years.....
You don't just flush 12 to 15 million because six figures "isn't bad".
Also not sure where you are getting "under 300k"
Ford was a UDFA and signed a 3 years 2m dollar deal, the last pick in the 7th round signed a 4 year 2.2m dollar deal so he is making 314k this year, 435k next, and it continues to rise
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:04 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:sitting out an entire year, it has a greater possibility than him being a top 2 round selection
So you think he'd be picked 4th or later if cleared next year?
Come on
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:11 pm to tduecen
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sitting out an entire year, it has a greater possibility than him being a top 2 round selection
Not a chance. We just saw a guy go early second after sitting out a year and having major character concerns.
A 1st round talent wouldn't fall to the 4th for sitting out a year
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:18 pm to Lakeboy7
I think it's smart. If he doesn't get drafted he can clear his name for good and stay in shape and not get injured and he will be drafted in the first two rounds no doubt.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:19 pm to tduecen
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UDFA receive a 3 year contract.... late round picks can get a 4 year deal.... 4 years at 300-500k + incentives could put him well over half a million a year. Michael Ford UDFA is making 495k this year after a 3 year 1.985 million deal..
I'm not talking bout not being drafted, I am talking about passing on being drafted any later than a 3rd (see previous post)
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:20 pm to TigerBait1127
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Not a chance. We just saw a guy go early second after sitting out a year and having major character concerns.
A 1st round talent wouldn't fall to the 4th for sitting out a year
Agreed..
He will get drafted so being an UDFA isn't a real possibility at this point. He was a top 20 talent this year, going in the first next year is a strong possibility and 2nd is probably expected.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:22 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:Green? A buy who was with a program last year? There is a big difference between a guy who just couldn't play but was getting coaching vs a guy who was just sitting out working out on his own. Collins agent could pay for coaching but the 1 on 1 that Green got at Oklahoma was more valuable
Not a chance. We just saw a guy go early second after sitting out a year and having major character concerns.
A 1st round talent wouldn't fall to the 4th for sitting out a year
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:23 pm to Jack Daniel
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Could he sign a rookie deal then hold out after one year?
Nope have to play 3
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:25 pm to tduecen
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There is a big difference between a guy who just couldn't play but was getting coaching vs a guy who was just sitting out working out on his own
And LC has options as well. I can almost guarantee he has the option of working out under Moffit or hire his own guy. And again, CFL is always an option. Riskier for certain but I still think it carries less risk than playing 4 years for a total of 2.2 mill. It carries less reward as well, but it isn't like not signing automatically means his only option is Anytime Fitness.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:25 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:So basically you want him to sit out a year so he can earn 1-2 million more over the length of 4 years? I mean if the #1 pick in the second round signs a 4 year 5million deal and the very last pick in the 7th round signs a 4 year 2.6m deal. Now if he reenters he could get drafted in the 3rd or 4th easy but the difference between that and the 2nd isn't great enough to sit out a year. Even UDFA isn't that huge a difference to want to sit out a year.
He will get drafted so being an UDFA isn't a real possibility at this point. He was a top 20 talent this year, going in the first next year is a strong possibility and 2nd is probably expected.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:27 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:He does, but to pay someone for that 5 day a week or 6 day a week when you are not in school cost money. Maybe he works under Moffit for his strength but then when he is drafted he either has to pay these people back or his agent takes a bigger cut. So again what is the big difference? Because he would be looking at several 10's of thousands possibly more to hire these coaches to give him help 5 days a week for almost a year.
And LC has options as well. I can almost guarantee he has the option of working out under Moffit or hire his own guy. And again, CFL is always an option
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