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Just asking... why was the pitching better under Bertman?
Posted on 5/25/11 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 5/25/11 at 11:10 pm
Was he just better at developing pitchers than Maineri? I'm not bashing Pm here.. .just asking
Posted on 5/25/11 at 11:16 pm to GA Tiger
He was the best at calling a game, nobody better. He always knew what pitch to call.
Posted on 5/25/11 at 11:17 pm to GA Tiger
Dan Canevari > David Grewe
Posted on 5/25/11 at 11:23 pm to GA Tiger
He had a very good memory allowing him to be great at calling pitches
Posted on 5/26/11 at 12:09 am to GA Tiger
He developed pitchers better than anybody, which was why he was once the pitching coach for the USA Olympic team.
At first, he just had absurd talent, with the teams from '87 to '91 in particular having just nasty amounts of future MLB talent on them.
But even into the mid and late 90's, when pitching in college baseball was not as good, and HRs were flying everywhere, he was still great at getting the best out of his staffs.
Arguably, it was the Gorilla Ball era that best proved how great of a pitching coach he truly was, rather than the pitching-dominant era of LSU baseball from '87 to '91.
And although he might have been good at calling a game, his coaching strengths went much farther than just that.
At first, he just had absurd talent, with the teams from '87 to '91 in particular having just nasty amounts of future MLB talent on them.
But even into the mid and late 90's, when pitching in college baseball was not as good, and HRs were flying everywhere, he was still great at getting the best out of his staffs.
Arguably, it was the Gorilla Ball era that best proved how great of a pitching coach he truly was, rather than the pitching-dominant era of LSU baseball from '87 to '91.
And although he might have been good at calling a game, his coaching strengths went much farther than just that.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 12:35 am to kool breeze
I think it was Laval, a former catcher, who had more to do with coaching pitchers than Bailey, although Bailey came from coaching Ben McDonald at DSHS. Laval's LSU bio states that he "worked as Bertman's top assistant coach for 10 seasons (1984-93)."
EDIT: Bailey remained at Denham Springs during the spring of 1987, when McDonald was a freshman playing for the LSU basketball and baseball teams. Bailey didn't join the LSU coaching staff until July of that year.
EDIT: Bailey remained at Denham Springs during the spring of 1987, when McDonald was a freshman playing for the LSU basketball and baseball teams. Bailey didn't join the LSU coaching staff until July of that year.
This post was edited on 5/26/11 at 12:41 am
Posted on 5/26/11 at 1:10 am to Doc Fenton
Gorilla Ball leads for LSU Aces was downright comical in NCAA tourney play. You're talking about collegians 4 to 5 rungs down the ladder from MLBers in talent and discipline at the plate.
Once LSU jumped on Wichita, Texas, Stan, USC, UCLA, Stan,etc..fastball aces for huge leads..
Skip would have LSU pitchers get ahead in the counts, then make frustrated opposing teams go fishing for garbage sh!t down in the zone or off the plate..can't remember how many times I saw dust kick up on swings from balls and batters whiffing in the dirt..you also had LSU Nation getting in their ears and heads.
Once LSU jumped on Wichita, Texas, Stan, USC, UCLA, Stan,etc..fastball aces for huge leads..
Skip would have LSU pitchers get ahead in the counts, then make frustrated opposing teams go fishing for garbage sh!t down in the zone or off the plate..can't remember how many times I saw dust kick up on swings from balls and batters whiffing in the dirt..you also had LSU Nation getting in their ears and heads.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 1:17 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
Two things that stand out about Skip's style in coaching pitchers:
#1. He focused a lot on trying to put the ball on the black of the plate (or even beyond it) on every pitch, either on the inside or the outside. He did not suffer pitchers who threw down the middle of the plate for very long.
#2. His impatience with mental errors was legendary. When you hear funny stories about Skip from people who played for them, often they are stories about things he told pitchers on the mound about how bad they sucked. He could be mean, but it's still sort of funny to hear about.
#3. He was famous for wasting a lot of 2-strike pitches, especially on 0-2 counts. I would even argue that he might have gotten a little carried away and went too far with the extent to which he instructed pitchers to throw curveballs in the dirt, but it did impart a valuable point for new guys to learn.
#1. He focused a lot on trying to put the ball on the black of the plate (or even beyond it) on every pitch, either on the inside or the outside. He did not suffer pitchers who threw down the middle of the plate for very long.
#2. His impatience with mental errors was legendary. When you hear funny stories about Skip from people who played for them, often they are stories about things he told pitchers on the mound about how bad they sucked. He could be mean, but it's still sort of funny to hear about.
#3. He was famous for wasting a lot of 2-strike pitches, especially on 0-2 counts. I would even argue that he might have gotten a little carried away and went too far with the extent to which he instructed pitchers to throw curveballs in the dirt, but it did impart a valuable point for new guys to learn.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 5:54 am to Doc Fenton
Not bashing PM but during his tenure, it seems that after the starter is done, LSU often has trouble.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 6:11 am to GA Tiger
Skip’s major flaw was that he would sometimes leave pitchers in the game for too long and not have the bull pen working sooner.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 6:24 am to Doc Fenton
quote:
He developed pitchers better than anybody, which was why he was once the pitching coach for the USA Olympic team.
Also was pitching coach @ Miami before he took
the job @ LSU.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 7:03 am to Pietra
quote:
Skip’s major flaw was that he would sometimes leave pitchers in the game for too long and not have the bull pen working sooner.
Thats a flaw every coach in the history of baseball has if you listen to the fans
Posted on 5/26/11 at 7:39 am to josh336
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Thats a flaw every coach in the history of baseball has if you listen to the fans
Yep, we fans who watched Skip from his first season at LSU really don’t notice which coaches pull a pitcher too soon, at the right time, or too late. Guess we are just too dumb to understand the game – but we really love it when we are ahead in the fourth quarter.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 8:16 am to Tmon225
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Dan Canevari
It was for sure not this guy.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 8:34 am to geauxtigers12
Coach Bertman's ability to see the game and pick out A batters weakness and apply his pitchers strength to fit was legendary. Ask any fellow player how many times we heard him say " going to throw this kid a batting practice fastball, watch him jump on it early and hit a weak flyball". It would happen over and over again.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 9:14 am to GA Tiger
Skip was a catcher who turned into a pitching coach for 7 years at Miami and pitching coach for the olympic team.
CPM was a 2nd baseman who hired a pitching coach that once called pitches for another team..
CPM was a 2nd baseman who hired a pitching coach that once called pitches for another team..
Posted on 5/26/11 at 9:16 am to Doc Fenton
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#3. He was famous for wasting a lot of 2-strike pitches, especially on 0-2 counts. I would even argue that he might have gotten a little carried away and went too far with the extent to which he instructed pitchers to throw curveballs in the dirt, but it did impart a valuable point for new guys to learn.
Thats interesting.. As we currently seem to throw the 0-2 count right down the middle far too often.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 9:19 am to GA Tiger
Mostly because college baseball has caught up to LSU. The talent is more spread out as more programs are putting money into their programs. Skip took college baseball to a different level, and we enjoyed the benefits during the decade of the 90's. Now, many other programs have caught up with us. SEC baseball is better off for it.
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