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re: Just a thought,but....
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:37 am to nf
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:37 am to nf
Do you know Clemson is the first team to beat LSU in the last three season that didn't reach a BCS bowl?
We lose to good teams. Florida state does not
2010- Auburn (BCSNC) Arkansas (Sugar)
2011 Bama (BCSNC)
2012 Bama (BCSNC) Florida (Sugar)
of our 6 loses aver the last three year half have been to the eventual National Champion.
Florida State has lost to 5 unranked teams
2010 NC State UNC
2011Wake Forest and Virginia
2012 NC State
Thats 1 unranked team for every BCS team LSU loses to.
We lose to good teams. Florida state does not
2010- Auburn (BCSNC) Arkansas (Sugar)
2011 Bama (BCSNC)
2012 Bama (BCSNC) Florida (Sugar)
of our 6 loses aver the last three year half have been to the eventual National Champion.
Florida State has lost to 5 unranked teams
2010 NC State UNC
2011Wake Forest and Virginia
2012 NC State
Thats 1 unranked team for every BCS team LSU loses to.
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 2:23 am to SammyTiger
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2010- Auburn (BCSNC) Arkansas (Sugar)
2011 Bama (BCSNC)
2012 Bama (BCSNC) Florida (Sugar)
Well, I'm glad to know that we are high achieving losers, I suppose.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 2:37 am to nf
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LSU also inexplicably loses games they shouldn't despite having superior talent. Les has a lot in common with Jimbo in that regard. That was sort of the point.
Who have we lost to with the talent level of nc state? Last time i checked bama and uf are not inferior in talent to us. Neither is fricking clemson,even though most of you think only LSU gets good players. That's absurd.
In fact if we want to be star gazers and go by rankings, FSU has superior talent than LSU and it always has and always will.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 2:39 am
Posted on 1/2/13 at 2:46 am to nf
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Well, I'm glad to know that we are high achieving losers, I suppose.
We would be losers if morons like you who want to fire the Coach at the first sign of "decline" actually ran the team
I want to win every game too, but we play other teams who actually have good players too.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 2:49 am
Posted on 1/2/13 at 2:47 am to dgnx6
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Who have we lost to with the talent level of nc state? Last time i checked bama and uf are not inferior in talent to us. Neither is fricking clemson,even though most of you think only LSU gets good players. That's absurd.
The past few years we haven't, though lord knows we've tried. Under Miles in general we've had some real head scratchers against Ole Miss, Arkansas and Kentucky, and that 2010 game against Tennessee was just absurd and would have been a loss if not for some very strange goings-on at the end.
Jimbo is only in his second year as well. He isn't playing with his recruits and hasn't had nearly enough time to change the culture there.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 2:57 am to nf
JImbo is in his 3 year, and was the Head Coach in waiting for two years before that. Those are all his players.
I like how Les gets 100% of the blame for all our loses, and 0% of the credit for our wins.
I like how Les gets 100% of the blame for all our loses, and 0% of the credit for our wins.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 2:59 am
Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:06 am to dgnx6
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We avergae over 30 pts a game under miles
Most of these 30 points were due to short fields.
Thanks to the defense and special teams.
Here is Les's Total Offense (yds per game)
2012 LSU 385 Opponents 307
We ranked 78 in the nation.
2011 LSU 355 Opponents 261
2010 LSU 343 Opponents 307
2009 LSU 304 Opponents 327
2008 LSU 368 Opponents 325
You seem to be very happy with an offense that performs in the bottom half of the nation every year. I am not.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:09 am to SammyTiger
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JImbo is in his 3 year, and was the Head Coach in waiting for two years before that. Those are all his players.
I like how Les gets 100% of the blame for all our loses, and 0% of the credit for our wins.
Les gets credit for building a talented team and hiring a good defensive coordinator. He gets blame for wasting a lot of that offensive talent and not doing anything to fix the issues. What do you want, a mathematical breakdown of blame?
He's the head coach. The problems are his. If I do 99 things right at my job and 1 wrong I can guarantee you that I'm going to hear about the 1 wrong thing more than the 99 right ones. And I'm not even making 4 million dollars a year.
He's a good coach who has run a good program, but people act like any team would be lucky to have him when in reality there are at least a dozen programs that wouldn't take the guy based on the way the teams look. He isn't perfect and he's not indispensable, and there's nothing wrong with discussing his flaws on a forum dedicated to discussing LSU football.
Personally I'm tired of watching miserable offense and undisciplined teams, and if Miles isn't willing to make changes on the offensive side to fix the problems then he needs to go, though I hope it doesn't come to that. I don't think Jimbo Fisher is the answer or anything, but the haughty "there but for the grace of god" attitude of LSU fans about his indicates a real skewed perception about how good we really have been lately.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:15 am to nf
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He's a good coach who has run a good program, but people act like any team would be lucky to have him when in reality there are at least a dozen programs that wouldn't take the guy based on the way the teams look. He isn't perfect and he's not indispensable, and there's nothing wrong with discussing his flaws on a forum dedicated to discussing LSU football.
I don't think there is a better coach out there that we could get.
And thats the long and short of it. We aren't getting Saban or Meyers (who is a pussy anyway).
You can make a case that Les is better than any other coach out there, quite easily.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:19 am to SammyTiger
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I don't think there is a better coach out there that we could get.
And thats the long and short of it. We aren't getting Saban or Meyers (who is a pussy anyway).
You can make a case that Les is better than any other coach out there, quite easily.
If it comes down to seasons like this one or taking a chance on ending up with something worse in the hopes of ending up with something better I will take the chance on something better. At least I'd get excited about watching LSU games again, instead of dreading them.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:23 am to SammyTiger
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You can make a case that Les is better than any other coach out there, quite easily.
No you cannot. We haven't had an offense in the top half of the nation for 5 years now. Chavis has kept us winning. Les is a good coach, not a great coach. Florida, Bama, Georgia, A&M, Vandy, South Carolina and probably Arkansas and Ole Miss would not trade their coaches for Les. Thats 8 teams in the SEC alone. I like Les but you people that say he is better than any other coach out there (quite easlily) are delusional.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 4:22 am
Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:23 am to nf
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If it comes down to seasons like this one or taking a chance on ending up with something worse in the hopes of ending up with something better I will take the chance on something better. At least I'd get excited about watching LSU games again, instead of dreading them.
If you dreaded games last year you will never be happy. Yeah it had a terrible ending but if you weren't looking forward to each game you wont be satisfied.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 3:24 am
Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:26 am to dljtigers
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No you cannot. We haven't had an offence in the top half of the nation for 5 years now. Chavis has kept us winning. Les is a good coach, not a great coach. Florida, Bama, Georgia, A&M, Vandy, South Carolina and probably Arkansas and Ole Miss would not trade their coaches for Les. Thats 8 teams in the SEC alone. I like Les but you people that say he is better than any other coach out there (quite easlily) are delusional.
The hell I can't name a coach and i can make a strong case les is better than them.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:28 am to SammyTiger
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If you dreaded games last year you will never be happy. Yeah it had a terrible ending but if you weren't looking forward to each game you wont be satisfied.
Last year was a fluke where we actually closed games out the way we should and I got optimistic that it signaled a really turning of a corner. Then the NCG happened, and this year we went back to the usual form where we can't close games out, and we can't just convincingly beat much worse teams.
That's the rule, last year was the exception. And until I see some consistent change I'm going to assume that this year (and 2010, and 2009, and 2008, and even 2007) are the real Les Miles teams and last year was an aberration.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:42 am to nf
When you play good teams you are gonna lose some close games.
Even Bama hasn't gone undefeated in the last three years.
Even Bama hasn't gone undefeated in the last three years.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 6:15 am to dljtigers
Someone post the stats since 05. We were 11th and 26th but mostly 55 or lower every other year.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 6:34 am to Weaver
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Even Bama hasn't gone undefeated in the last three years.
Bama went undefeated in 2009. Over the past 5 years, Bama has 7 losses, LSU has 15 losses. Bama has 2 national championships and is playing for a third, LSU has none.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 6:54 am to Weaver
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Someone post the stats since 05. We were 11th and 26th but mostly 55 or lower every other year.
2012 - 76
2011 - 74
2010 - 91
2009 - 112
2008 - 55
2007 - 26
Can't find rankings for 2005 or 2006 seasons.
Our last national championship was the year our offense ranked 26th nationally. Defense ranked 3.
Bama's offense ranked 32 and 30 the two years that it won national championships. Its defense was 1 and 2 those years.
Formula is pretty simple. Top 5 defense, top 40 offense to win a national championship.
The frustration is that LSU has now gone 5 years without cracking the top 40 on offense. That is unacceptable. You can beat a bunch of inferior teams with defense, but you won't win championships without a serviceable offense.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 7:05 am
Posted on 1/2/13 at 7:31 am to nf
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Les gets credit for building a talented team and hiring a good defensive coordinator. He gets blame for wasting a lot of that offensive talent and not doing anything to fix the issues. What do you want, a mathematical breakdown of blame?
He's the head coach. The problems are his. If I do 99 things right at my job and 1 wrong I can guarantee you that I'm going to hear about the 1 wrong thing more than the 99 right ones. And I'm not even making 4 million dollars a year.
He's a good coach who has run a good program, but people act like any team would be lucky to have him when in reality there are at least a dozen programs that wouldn't take the guy based on the way the teams look. He isn't perfect and he's not indispensable, and there's nothing wrong with discussing his flaws on a forum dedicated to discussing LSU football.
Personally I'm tired of watching miserable offense and undisciplined teams, and if Miles isn't willing to make changes on the offensive side to fix the problems then he needs to go, though I hope it doesn't come to that. I don't think Jimbo Fisher is the answer or anything, but the haughty "there but for the grace of god" attitude of LSU fans about his indicates a real skewed perception about how good we really have been lately.
Early nominee for post of the year.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 8:06 am to nf
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Personally I'm tired of watching miserable offense and undisciplined teams, and if Miles isn't willing to make changes on the offensive side to fix the problems then he needs to go, though I hope it doesn't come to that.
It won't come to that because Coach Miles isn't going anywhere. He just got a long contract extension.
Also, how can you say that Coach Miles's teams are undisciplined when he wins over 80 percent of his games? Undisciplined teams don't do that.
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