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re: Jump pass
Posted on 10/9/12 at 8:56 pm to Alan Garner
Posted on 10/9/12 at 8:56 pm to Alan Garner
quote:okay
the two timeouts were for this reason:
first one was called because of mechanical failure with the headsets and the plays werent being called to the sideline properly
the second timeout was used because a play was called with the incorrect personnel on the field, thus not being able to run said play.
if the play works, you people are praising the man. truth be told, if magee heads off tackle right, he probably walks in.
that's fine and all.
but the coaches don't think that they didn't perhaps tip off the UF coaches into safe mode with the second timeout?
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Posted on 10/9/12 at 8:58 pm to BayouBandit24
If they would have gone with Ware Florida may not have sniffed it from the snap. Miles 2 timeouts were also very telling that LSU was having something up their sleeves.
I thought it was a bad call because there are no other options if they play is sniffed and why cant we use our 6' 4" quarterback and let him throw a fade or a quick hitch or a back out of the backfield?
IMO I think LSU should use Mett similar to how coaches have used Ben Rothlisberger. I know Mett doesn't nearly have the footwork as Big Ben but they are both Gunslingers with long arms and who are accurate. Sit Mett back in the Shotgun and give him options. Use the relentless run attack with draws and play action. Use the depth the Shotgun gives you to make up for the oline blocking woes. You can still put a back to protect Mett and add even more time for him to plant his feet and make good throws.
I thought it was a bad call because there are no other options if they play is sniffed and why cant we use our 6' 4" quarterback and let him throw a fade or a quick hitch or a back out of the backfield?
IMO I think LSU should use Mett similar to how coaches have used Ben Rothlisberger. I know Mett doesn't nearly have the footwork as Big Ben but they are both Gunslingers with long arms and who are accurate. Sit Mett back in the Shotgun and give him options. Use the relentless run attack with draws and play action. Use the depth the Shotgun gives you to make up for the oline blocking woes. You can still put a back to protect Mett and add even more time for him to plant his feet and make good throws.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 8:59 pm to The Egg
Told a friend over the phone that if we didn't house it, we'd lose. That was the field position/drive if the game. Not one of Miles' greatest sequences. Had it been late in the game, would've approached the infamy of "clock it" & Tennessee's 15 men on the field.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:04 pm to Alan Garner
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if the play works, you people are praising the man.
It had zero chance of working considering the circumstances. You don't run a trick play when you are desperate because the defense is looking for it.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:05 pm to The Egg
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but the coaches don't think that they didn't perhaps tip off the UF coaches into safe mode with the second timeout?
I can't attest to what the UF coaches were thinking because I wasn't on the sideline with them.
honestly, it was a pretty imaginative play call and had the TE been able to sneak out properly, would have been an easy score. it wasn't so much the UF players sniffing it out, so much as he was lost in traffic.
teams have already scouted ware as being the back with the arm, I doubt most know that magee is capable of throwing the ball effectively.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:07 pm to IIxxBREADxxII
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IMO I think LSU should use Mett similar to how coaches have used Ben Rothlisberger
You kidding me? What makes Big Ben good is how he is so good at avoiding pressure and making plays when he's flushed out of the pocket. Mett hasn't shown signs of being able to do that at all.
I don't disagree about putting him the shotgun more but that's not a great comparison
Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:07 pm to Alan Garner
It was completely sniffed out as soon as Magee stepped on the field.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:12 pm to BengalBen
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It was completely sniffed out as soon as Magee stepped on the field.
whatever you say chief.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:13 pm to SA4LSU
Shep's first pass woulda been su-weet there!
Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:18 pm to Alan Garner
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whatever you say chief.
Two timeouts called. Magee never plays and the FL coaches know Ware and Magee can throw it. Magee lines up two yards deeper than our RBs typically line up. He stutter steps to get the pitch. He never tucks the ball to make it look like a run. At least 3 defenders instantly look at our TE.
Now tell us how this was going to work Chief.
Btw....I like Miles and think we can turn it around. My negativity is only towards this and a handful of other play calls.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:19 pm to Alan Garner
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teams have already scouted ware as being the back with the arm, I doubt most know that magee is capable of throwing the ball effectively.
Throwing a 3 yard pass when he should be wide open is easy as hell, even with pressure. Considering where he would've been and where the pressure would have been.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:20 pm to Billder
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If it works....brilliant call.
If it doesn't.... You get posters like you asking why
FWIW, Magee was a high school qb.
1) Would you post up a 5'9" guy against a line of guys well over 6' in basketball? No, then why would you do it in football? Is it coincidence that this play worked for JJ and Tebow and that they are fairly tall QB's?
2) I heard that fake plays are generally run once a year at most because after it is run other teams know what to look for. In this case we ran the same play against Florida (same team) last year and it was a big "in your face". Also Florida is the team that practically invented the damn play.
3. The announcers took note that the coaches were talking to Magee thoughout the entire timeout. If you want to talk about execution, can we talk about the coaches' obvious lack of awareness as to how obvious they were? Not to mention that I think I saw the fake "oh we don't have the play called" timeout before. And Mett didn't sell it well.
If you can successfully respond to any of those points, feel free. But if you are 3) incredibly transparent on a trick play and 1) are trying your trick with a weak hand of personnel, don't 2) try the same damn trick in front of the team who taught it to you!
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:33 pm to BengalBen
just difference in opinion chief. rather not get into a back and forth on a forum about whether or not UF knew we were running a trick play on the 5 going in when in all honesty, I wouldn't look for a trick play even after the two timeouts since the personnel changed twice.
this i actually don't believe, it just looks to me as he disengages with his initial "block" he never gets to the "second level." basically through the traffic.
quote:
At least 3 defenders instantly look at our TE
this i actually don't believe, it just looks to me as he disengages with his initial "block" he never gets to the "second level." basically through the traffic.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:46 pm to Alan Garner
The traffic was there for a reason. And if you don't think that the Florida coaches know our personnel, including Magee's background, then you're in denial..
Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:50 pm to BengalBen
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The traffic was there for a reason. And if you don't think that the Florida coaches know our personnel, including Magee's background, then you're in denial..
i'm not questioning the scouting, but in reality, especially with the personnel switch and never seeing this play before, the option pass wouldn't have been my first thought going in from the 5 on the defensive side of the ball. call it what you will, it makes no difference to me.
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