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re: Johnny Jones needs to do the honorable thing
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:05 am to Tiger Ugly
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:05 am to Tiger Ugly
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This is my biggest fear. It would be the easy hire to do this, A Stansbury or Kermit. And the easy hire has been his M.O. lately.
And for me either is settling, I'd prefer Kermit of the two but we'd better get a no from 10 others before we get to either IMHO.
Both would be better than Jones, no question. But I agree, hiring those guys would be just as lazy as the Jones hire and the Ogeron hire. Except maybe Indiana, there doesn't appear to be any big time job openings on the horizon (or at least none that are definitely more "marquee" than LSU) - NC State, Clemson, Illinois, Missouri, Washington. I don't see any reason why LSU couldn't pitch themselves as a more, or at least equally as attractive destination.
Like Jones when Alleva hired him, I don't think Stansbury or Davis would be candidates for any other job but LSU. Davis has been at MTSU for several years now. During that time jobs have come open at Bama, Vandy, Tennessee, Miss. St., Auburn. Yet, there apparently was little to no interest in him.
Bama hired a guy with name recognition. So did Auburn (though the results haven't been great)
Tenn. and MSU hired guys with Final Four appearances on their resume and big results at multiple power conf. schools.
An early hire of Davis or Stansbury without even engaging in much of a coaching search would be complete laziness (a la the Ogeron hire), which sadly is probably what Alleva will do. As a die hard LSU basketball fan it makes me want to throw up knowing that Alleva will have a third opportunity to hire a coach that will likely keep the program stuck in neutral.
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:08 am to tbabino
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When has a coach of ANY team "done the honorable thing"? I'm sure it's happened, but 99% of them need to be shown the door.
Spurrier in '15?
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:32 am to Nutriaitch
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not even inviting candidates who have actually had some level of success as a full time head coach is NOT the right thing.
You don't know if any of the potential candidates even expressed an interest. Perhaps inquiries were made. It's doubtful Fuentes would leave Va Tech after a year. Fedora is not all that and a bag of chips. PJ Fleck would be a huge gamble. Success at W Michigan may not translate in the SEC particularly recruiting.
Herman was the hot name and only Herman. The others were also rans. Except for every conceivable thing going wrong in the UF game, Orgeron acquitted himself well and good enough to be the prime candidate after Herman. He had to make something of Miles' shitty offensive scheme. Let's not forget Beckwith's injury, Guice's fumble and last play gaff, D Jackson's blown coverage and fumble. The Tigers dominated that game everywhere but the scoreboard.
People have made far too much about this search. You really think McIlwain was a top notch, slam dunk hire for the Gators? It's not easy making these calls. A Saban, Meyer or Harbaugh isn't that easy to find.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 11:56 am
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:11 am to lowhound
Johnny will not resign. He is still learning Dale's Freak Defense. Wait until the SEC tournament.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:17 am to lowhound
It's his first losing season? They are still recovering even people who REALLY follow basketball agree he should at leadt be given another year.
If you fire him the next coach has to make the tournament within the next 4 years or else he has to be fired too. You can't build a program like that. I thought Brady left a year early.
If you fire him the next coach has to make the tournament within the next 4 years or else he has to be fired too. You can't build a program like that. I thought Brady left a year early.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:17 am to lowhound
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Johnny Jones needs to do the honorable thing
Johnny said "OK", so long as you fund his buyout.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:23 am to karralum
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karralum
That's bullshite! Anyone who actually follows this team knows that he lost the team last year by selling out to the Simmons show. He didn't hold him accountable, so now the rest of the team knows what he's preaching is bullshite and isn't listening anymore. Brady was fired because he didn't recruit worth a crap after the final four and was just an a-hole in general those last couple of years. Go watch any of his postgame or weekly radio show interviews. I'm all about giving a coach a chance when the team is on an upward movement, but this team is spiraling downhill in a torrent of shite.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:41 am to lowhound
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Johnny Jones needs to do the honorable thing
The honorable thing for him is to lobby to keep his job and not be a quitter. He probably thinks he can turn things around. So he will likely be fired after the season. It should be a no brainer for Joe.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:47 am to lowhound
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he lost the team last year by selling out to the Simmons show
His godfather was here and it did seem like it could have given the school some popularity with the cameras following him filming his documentary. No one expected for him to have the I am a superstar attitude which led to players not really caring for him
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:03 pm to karralum
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It's his first losing season? They are still recovering even people who REALLY follow basketball agree he should at leadt be given another year.
If you fire him the next coach has to make the tournament within the next 4 years or else he has to be fired too. You can't build a program like that. I thought Brady left a year early.
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:09 pm to lsu2006
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LOL
Which part you find hard to believe?
1. It is his first losing season
2. They talked about what JJ should do and how he should be given another year.
3. If you do fire him and the next coach has the same results, you all will be calling for his head in 4 years.
4. Successful programs dont recycle coaches every 4-5 years. It takes time to build a program.
So what is it that you are having trouble with?
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:15 pm to karralum
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2. They talked about what JJ should do and how he should be given another year.
Who is "they"? No one with half a brain thinks JJ should get another year.
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Successful programs dont recycle coaches every 4-5 years.
Right, because good programs have coaches that can have some semblance of actual success within 4-5 years, a.k.a. anyone that is better than Jones.
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It takes time to build a program.
You can build a good or great program with 1 or 2 good recruiting classes and a vaguely competent coach.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:17 pm to karralum
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3. If you do fire him and the next coach has the same results, you all will be calling for his head in 4 years.
You're damn right. And rightfully so.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:25 pm to lsu2006
CB insiders, apparently the program had a multitude of issues surrounding Ben Simmons last year and they commended JJ for keeping it all internal. Just like the commentators mentionted CBI talked about the mistakes the team is making that a college coach shouldn't be coaching at the college level.....They did add that the team needs to finish with heart sonce they still have games left to play and he's going to have to recruit better talent. Also mentioned Vic not being on the team.
And in closing the experts feel if they play with heart that JJ should be given another year.
And in closing the experts feel if they play with heart that JJ should be given another year.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:27 pm to lowhound
He's probably thinking that he has spent too much time disciplining and teaching fundamentals. He just needs to let them have fun next season.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:27 pm to karralum
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CB insiders, apparently the program had a multitude of issues surrounding Ben Simmons last year and they commended JJ for keeping it all internal. Just like the commentators mentionted CBI talked about the mistakes the team is making that a college coach shouldn't be coaching at the college level.....They did add that the team needs to finish with heart sonce they still have games left to play and he's going to have to recruit better talent. Also mentioned Vic not being on the team.
And in closing the experts feel if they play with heart that JJ should be given another year.
1. What in the actual frick are you talking about?
2. Do you actually buy this (wholly incoherent) garbage?
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:51 pm to lowhound
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Johnny Jones needs to do the honorable thing....
and commit seppuku...I'm down with this.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:13 pm to lsu2006
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1. What in the actual frick are you talking about?
2. Do you actually buy this (wholly incoherent) garbage?
You are constantly posting with no substance. And im pretty sure they are closer to the basketball program than you. All you are saying is JJ needs to go like many fans are doing. Whereas people who actually played basketball and those who have access to coaches and players say something different. They are rational with their thinking rather than emotional.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:18 pm to karralum
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You are constantly posting with no substance. And im pretty sure they are closer to the basketball program than you. All you are saying is JJ needs to go like many fans are doing.
Right because the reasons he needs to go are manifest and have been discussed ad nauseum going back to last season. It's staring you right in the face and you can't even see it.
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Whereas people who actually played basketball and those who have access to coaches and players say something different
Find me one non-biased observer who thinks Jones deserves another year. I'll wait.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:21 pm to karralum
I guess I'll just ask - what gives you any reason to believe that Jones should stay and that he could ever get LSU to anything but an occasional fringe-tournament team that grossly under-performs? Is it our stellar incoming recruiting class and plethora of returning talent? Johnny's excellent in-game coaching?
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