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re: JJ has more confidence in OL
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:11 am to FootballNostradamus
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:11 am to FootballNostradamus
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Our pass protection struggles were on the edge and were amplified by Jefferson's inability to step into the pocket.
37 sacks and you say there wasn't a problem with pass protection?
No, you can't lay ALL of those sacks at JJ's feet. He was able to step up in the pocket - just unwilling due to poor pass protection.
Of course I'm just going by what I saw and what Miles said.
I'm just saying give the kid a break, do you disagree with me that he deserves one?
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Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:14 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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He was able to step up in the pocket - just unwilling due to poor pass protection.
I'm a Jefferson supporter, but his drop is terrible. There were plenty of sacks that resulted directly from him dropping too far back and the DE being pushed into him.
Of course, this never changed throughout the course of the season which, to me, speaks volumes about our QB coach.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:25 am to Antonio Moss
so in your mind, you believe that you and others here are smart enough to see that, but the guys who do this for a living dont?
Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me.
Maybe, just maybe JJ is the one who keeps fricking it up?
Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me.
Maybe, just maybe JJ is the one who keeps fricking it up?
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:27 am to Antonio Moss
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There were plenty of sacks that resulted directly from him dropping too far back and the DE being pushed into him.
I agree, and I'm looking for improvement this season. Like I said, he was starting his first season and still won 9 games. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he will be better this season. I think too that he will be looking to get rid of the ball sooner without fearing the int as much. I think his holding onto the ball too long also contributed to the sacks and his dropping so far back - he was too indecisive. Hopefully he'll be throwing the ball after 3 steps instead of 12.
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Of course, this never changed throughout the course of the season which, to me, speaks volumes about our QB coach.
Is a "passing game coordinator" what normal people call a QB coach? If so, BG may help right there.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:27 am to aglandry
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"I have more confidence in the OL this year.They're bigger and faster, and I think that will help. And I can let myself make mistakes this time,"
Now that is leadership. Throw last years line (many of whom are still here) under the bus. Now that the line is better, I'll be better.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:27 am to BT
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Maybe, just maybe JJ is the one who keeps fricking it up?
Maybe its Mabeline.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:29 am to LSU Patrick
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LSU PATRICK
Maybe, just maybe your not an idiot..
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:31 am to Trifecta
maybe he can't count 7 step drop becomes 12 
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:36 am to TigerFanNKaty
I just hope he does well and if he doesn't. Let him ride pine a series to figure things out. At some points last year his head wasn't in it and he needed a chance to see the field without getting chased all over it.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:39 am to TigerFanNKaty
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TigerFanNKaty
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:41 am to Tiger Ryno
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Now that is leadership. Throw last years line (many of whom are still here) under the bus. Now that the line is better, I'll be better.
“I feel I’m more mature now,” Jefferson said. “It starts off with experience. I know what to look for. I know how to communicate with my coaches and teammates.”
“To reduce the sacks, I need better pocket presence,” Jefferson said. “I have to step up and move around in the pocket. I had guys open last year. I have to give them a chance to get the ball. I have to just let it go.”
“Jordan has worked hard on his reads. He should get the ball out of his hands quicker. That should help our protection and it should help our receivers run after the catch.”
Miles, though, said only a small portion (about 11) of the 33 sacks were Jefferson's fault.
"I'd guess there probably was a malfunction of about 30 percent that he held on to the ball too long and just not trusting his preparation," he said. "Most of those can be attributed to personnel breakdowns."
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:44 am to WildTchoupitoulas
We'll see how much he has matured soon enough.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:46 am to BT
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so in your mind, you believe that you and others here are smart enough to see that, but the guys who do this for a living dont?
There is nothing in Gary Crowton's history which leads me to believe that he is focused on improving our QB's technique. I'm not saying he's incapable of doing it, I just don't think he focuses on it.
Plus, it isn't just Jefferson. Lee does the exact same things that got him into trouble in 2008 (throwing off his back foot, locking in on the first receiver, etc.)
So either both our QBs are incapable of learning, or they're not being taught.
And don't get me started on how both run the option the exact same way - incorrectly.
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Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me.
Look, I hope I'm wrong. I want our offense to be incredible; I just don't have a lot of evidence to support that belief.
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Maybe, just maybe JJ is the one who keeps fricking it up?
Then explain Lee's complete lack of improvement in these areas.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 9:49 am to Antonio Moss
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And don't get me started on how both run the option the exact same way - incorrectly.
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Oh plzzz explain to me how they run it wrong..wait draw the scheme up and explain that to me also..almighty genius on the message board who doesnt know how the fuk an option play works
Posted on 9/1/10 at 10:07 am to Antonio Moss
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I just don't have a lot of evidence to support that belief.
Maybe, just maybe it's becasue they haven't played a single down yet...?
Do you think you can hold out another 3 days, 8 hours and 52 minutes to draw some conclusions about this year's team?
Posted on 9/1/10 at 10:10 am to Trifecta
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Oh plzzz explain to me how they run it wrong..wait draw the scheme up and explain that to me also..almighty genius on the message board who doesnt know how the fuk an option play works
1) They run too wide from the center position (more like a roll out). The option needs to be run down the line of scrimmage on order to create enough space between the QB and RB so that it is impossible for defensive player to attack both.
2) In association with #1, our QBs run too close to the running back allowing one defender to attack both.
3) Neither QB attacks the DE (or whoever is the first defender) and makes him commit to the tackle. This allows the first defender to attack the RB instead of the QB.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 10:11 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Maybe, just maybe it's becasue they haven't played a single down yet...?
I'm talking about Crowton's history with QBs. Obviously the best evidence will be our play this year.
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Do you think you can hold out another 3 days, 8 hours and 52 minutes to draw some conclusions about this year's team?
It's simply a prediction. Again, I hope our offense is greatly improved on the whole.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 10:20 am to Antonio Moss
To recruit top 10 talent and be in bottom ten production, I have to look at the overall scheme that starts with the OC. I say let him go and start fresh. BG will have a year here at the end of the season so if he's good then give him the reigns and let GC go. Nothing from GC's history shows us that he makes offenses better down the road. He came in changed everything from Fisher and gave us a spark to win the championship so I'm thankful for that, but it's time to move on.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 10:22 am to TigerWilson88
Good idea, lets fire GC 3 days before season opener. 
Stupidity is in no shortage on this board.
Stupidity is in no shortage on this board.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 10:26 am to Antonio Moss
Here is a good example of problems #2 and #3 when our QBs run the option
1:25 mark
Notice how close Lee is to the RB and how he pitches long before the DE commits to him. This allows the DE to make the play on the RB.
Jefferson does the exact same thing.
1:25 mark
Notice how close Lee is to the RB and how he pitches long before the DE commits to him. This allows the DE to make the play on the RB.
Jefferson does the exact same thing.
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