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Jennings Long Passes Last Yr
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:48 am
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:48 am
I've been rewatching a lot of games from last year and i started to notice that Jennings had a lot of long completions.
So i went back and counted all of his completions over 20 yards. It's kind of staggering what i found.
Jennings had 21 passes account for 838 yards. Thats 11% of his completions accounted for 52% of his total yards. To me that points to a QB who is poor at his mid range throws. Which are crucial to being successful. Especially on 3rd down.
Am I accurate in this thinking that you'd rather have a QB who hammers the short to intermediate passes while getting some long balls? and not mostly deep balls?
So i went back and counted all of his completions over 20 yards. It's kind of staggering what i found.
Jennings had 21 passes account for 838 yards. Thats 11% of his completions accounted for 52% of his total yards. To me that points to a QB who is poor at his mid range throws. Which are crucial to being successful. Especially on 3rd down.
Am I accurate in this thinking that you'd rather have a QB who hammers the short to intermediate passes while getting some long balls? and not mostly deep balls?
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:50 am to CarpetbaggerFBP
Dural was getting really open before SEC play, and Jennings can throw to a wide open WR.
his biggest problems was being able to put a ball on a spot. Being able to zip it in when the ball needs to go only one place.
A deep throw, especially when the WR has beat the DB, the WR can adjust to the pass in the air, and make it look like a better throw than it was.
If you look at some of the TD throws ti Dural, he isn't hitting him perfectly in stride.
his biggest problems was being able to put a ball on a spot. Being able to zip it in when the ball needs to go only one place.
A deep throw, especially when the WR has beat the DB, the WR can adjust to the pass in the air, and make it look like a better throw than it was.
If you look at some of the TD throws ti Dural, he isn't hitting him perfectly in stride.
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 11:57 am
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:54 am to CarpetbaggerFBP
Long passes don't have to be that accurate. Just let it fly and the receiver can adjust his route to run under the ball. LSU has great talent at the receiver position. They excel in the longer routes. It's just a horse race.
On the other hand longer passes are generally easier to intercept if they in range of a fast safety.
On the other hand longer passes are generally easier to intercept if they in range of a fast safety.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:55 am to SammyTiger
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Jennings can throw to a wide open WR
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:55 am to CarpetbaggerFBP
If 52% of his yards were from long balls and his completion % was 60-65ish, I think that everyone would be happy. Why does it have to be either or? Can we have both please?
I don't think that is a fair question the way it is stated. I'd love to have a guy who can hammer the short and mid range passes and then drop a dime when the opportunity arises. You know, like a good quarterback.
I don't think that is a fair question the way it is stated. I'd love to have a guy who can hammer the short and mid range passes and then drop a dime when the opportunity arises. You know, like a good quarterback.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:55 am to SwampyLSU
well some of the time
Posted on 8/14/15 at 11:59 am to CarpetbaggerFBP
His deep ball is his biggest strength. I know people don't want to give him any credit for being able to do anything right as a QB, but it's true.
It's quite a mystery as to why he can throw a 50 yard bomb on a dime but has issues with a 2 yard out floating on him.
It's quite a mystery as to why he can throw a 50 yard bomb on a dime but has issues with a 2 yard out floating on him.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:00 pm to CarpetbaggerFBP
Jennings' best pass is the long bomb. He throws them better than most. Too bad he can't make short or medium distance passes.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:07 pm to wildtigercat93
Same reason why outfielders have a hard time stepping in the infield and being able to make throws from base to base with the same velocity. When all you've ever done is throw as hard as you can your whole life it takes years of adjusting and getting comfortable hitting with the same accuracy within 10-15 yards. Jennings throws a great deep ball. Don't be stupid people. He has decent pocket presence and is a little shifty He absolutely has no accuracy on any intermediate to short routes.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:13 pm to wildtigercat93
Dural is really good at getting his head around and locating the ball.
Ideally a deep pass isn't caught hi hight while turned half around.
if you want to see some good deep balls. watch some rueben Randle highlights. JL and JJ could actually hit him pretty well in stride. perfect over the shoulder catches.
some good ones agains Auburn, Florida in 2011.
Ideally a deep pass isn't caught hi hight while turned half around.
if you want to see some good deep balls. watch some rueben Randle highlights. JL and JJ could actually hit him pretty well in stride. perfect over the shoulder catches.
some good ones agains Auburn, Florida in 2011.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:21 pm to CarpetbaggerFBP
quote:Do you know anything about Cameron's offense? Do you understand the rudiments of his strategy?
I've been rewatching a lot of games from last year and i started to notice that Jennings had a lot of long completions.
So i went back and counted all of his completions over 20 yards. It's kind of staggering what i found.
Jennings had 21 passes account for 838 yards. Thats 11% of his completions accounted for 52% of his total yards. To me that points to a QB who is poor at his mid range throws. Which are crucial to being successful. Especially on 3rd down.
Am I accurate in this thinking that you'd rather have a QB who hammers the short to intermediate passes while getting some long balls? and not mostly deep balls?
You do understand that long passes are going to account for a larger percentage of yards than an equal number of short and intermediate passes, correct? Specifically, if 11% of his passes are 20+ yards, you didn't expect that same 11% to account for 11% of his passing yards, did you?
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:27 pm to CarpetbaggerFBP
It was obvious Jennings had trouble knowing when his receivers would break and where to place the ball.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:29 pm to Salviati
Problem- AJ doesn't "throw receivers open". He's not gonna consistently drop a pass in the seams between lb's and safeties. Doesn't posses the zip to have deep outs and long crossing routes/posts waiting on the WR as they break. Think back to the routes that Mett used to hit to Juice down the seam/over the middle. Harris has that arm strength and zip. AJ just doesn't .
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:33 pm to CarpetbaggerFBP
Yeah and especially the one against UF and the one we didn't see against UK (i saw a sideline view of the catch somewhere on the Internet a few months back). People like to say he was throwing them up for grabs, but he placed a lot of them right on the money. More than what most QBs could do. We attempted a lot of deep passes last year so I don't know what his completion percentage is compared to the nation, but it has to be pretty high.
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:42 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Yeah and especially the one against UF and the one we didn't see against UK (i saw a sideline view of the catch somewhere on the interest a few months back). People like to say he was throwing them up for grabs, but he placed a lot of them right on the money. More than what most QBs could do. We attempted a lot of deep passes last year so I don't know what his completion percentage is compared to the nation, but it has to be pretty high.
Agree on this, AJ threw some deep balls on a dime last fall, especially to Dural early on. Very well placed balls, the Wisoonsin game and Sam Houston State game come to mind in which he hit Travin in stride, resulting in long TD's. He throws a good deep ball.
I am hoping we can hit more of our WR's in stride this year and see what they can do with some room!
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:50 pm to Salviati
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ou do understand that long passes are going to account for a larger percentage of yards than an equal number of short and intermediate passes, correct? Specifically, if 11% of his passes are 20+ yards, you didn't expect that same 11% to account for 11% of his passing yards, did you?
The point i was trying to make was that 89% of his passes accounted for 48% of his yards. That's not good QB play
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:53 pm to CarpetbaggerFBP
Jennings deep ball is actually not that bad. He just needs to develop in other areas. I don't think he has great arm strength but he's fairly accurate with his deep ball which is surprising. He needs more consistent on the shorter passes.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:58 pm to CarpetbaggerFBP
quote:How many of those were before SEC schedule? Also, how many of those were caught beyond 20 yds? Dural and Diarse each had some where they caught short to medium passes and got yac yards. I'm confident Jennings didn't have many passes caught beyond 20yds.
Jennings had 21 passes account for 838 yards.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:00 pm to CarpetbaggerFBP
quote:Is this just another thread to bash Jennings?:
I've been rewatching a lot of games from last year and i started to notice that Jennings had a lot of long completions.
So i went back and counted all of his completions over 20 yards. It's kind of staggering what i found.
Jennings had 21 passes account for 838 yards. Thats 11% of his completions accounted for 52% of his total yards. To me that points to a QB who is poor at his mid range throws. Which are crucial to being successful. Especially on 3rd down.
Am I accurate in this thinking that you'd rather have a QB who hammers the short to intermediate passes while getting some long balls? and not mostly deep balls?
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OMG Look!!! I discovered "Fact ABC" about Harris/Jennings.
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Clearly "Fact ABC" means that Jennings sucks and Harris is the savior of the world.
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I hope Jennings transfers because of "Fact ABC."
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As long as Jennings never touches a football again. "Fact ABC" proves what I knew all along: Harris is superior to Jennings.
In 2014, Jennings had 17 of 111 passes completed for 25+ yards.
Thus, 15% of Jennings' completions were 25+ yards.
In 2014, Harris had 7 of 25 passes completed for 25+ yards.
Thus, 28% of Harris's completions were 25+ yards.
In 2013, Mett had 40 of 192 passes completed for 25+ yards.
Thus, 21% of Mett's completions were 25+ yards.
In 2012, Mett had 25 of 207 passes completed for 25+ yards.
Thus, 12% of Mett's completions were 25+ yards.
So, in 2014, Jennings was between Mett 2012 and Mett 2013. And the QB who had the highest percentage of long completions is Harris 2014.
So now Rant, please use the foregoing facts to draw your preconceived conclusion that Jennings sucks and Harris is the savior of the world.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 1:01 pm to CarpetbaggerFBP
I think Miles' system is really the contributing factor to all the long passes.
It's not just Jennings. This has been going on at least since Jordan Jefferson's days.
Run left, run right, play-action long ball. Might complete it. Might not.
Being a Saints fan as well, I'm so used to seeing the Saints spread the ball long, short, intermediate, flats slants, etc...while mixing up runs with screens. They throw "where the defense ain't."
LSU kind of waits until there is 9 in the box to match our goal-line-formation-ish personnel and then basically heaves a bomb deep to one of two WR's.
It's one of the reasons why TE's have been practically non-existent for the past decade here, despite having capable hands at the position.
It's not just Jennings. This has been going on at least since Jordan Jefferson's days.
Run left, run right, play-action long ball. Might complete it. Might not.
Being a Saints fan as well, I'm so used to seeing the Saints spread the ball long, short, intermediate, flats slants, etc...while mixing up runs with screens. They throw "where the defense ain't."
LSU kind of waits until there is 9 in the box to match our goal-line-formation-ish personnel and then basically heaves a bomb deep to one of two WR's.
It's one of the reasons why TE's have been practically non-existent for the past decade here, despite having capable hands at the position.
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