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re: Jarrett Lee "Thank You" Ad in Newspaper
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:08 pm to theantiquetiger
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:08 pm to theantiquetiger
I think this thing is kind of sad.
I actually feel bad for JLee in this whole thing...simply because this isn't really a "thank you" to him. It's somebody's backhanded way of taking a shot at Les and the coaching staff. And they're using JLee as a pawn to do so.
I actually feel bad for JLee in this whole thing...simply because this isn't really a "thank you" to him. It's somebody's backhanded way of taking a shot at Les and the coaching staff. And they're using JLee as a pawn to do so.
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:10 pm to Godfather1
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I actually feel bad for JLee in this whole thing...simply because this isn't really a "thank you" to him. It's somebody's backhanded way of taking a shot at Les and the coaching staff. And they're using JLee as a pawn to do so.
+1
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:12 pm to Rudy40
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Umm Boxcar Willie repeatedly compared him to Tebow! Not to mention talking about JJ's winning the games. Hell in my sig line Drexyl credited JJ not the team for beating Bama.
Those were in direct response from the flip side absurdity of Lee fans claiming the same thing about games Lee played in from 2010. Anywhere you'd turn, Lee was directly credited for winning games in 2010...for some it seemed fair game to play the exact same game for JJ in 2011. Both were absurd arguments, but that's what you get when hyperbole reigns.
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(A) we never saw either of those attributes or improvements
I think that's a stretch. There were moments in 2011 where JJ looked better than he ever had. For those of us that slightly preferred JJ to JL, I can tell you that I regret not having had the chance to see if JJ would have been any better coming straight into the season with fall camp just behind him rather than having to work his way back into the lineup with four plus straight weeks away from the team. I won;t suggest it's a certainly he would have been better, just that it's not implausible.
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(B) several on here
prior to the Shady's incident were commenting how we would all see how much JJ had improved and how he was a legit qb since Crowton had left.
See my comment above. I have no idea how badly that time away hurt JJ. From the perspective of the guy who hated the guy as a player, it's clear that the time away had no effect. I take it into account and wonder if it did. Much like wondering if the game on 1/9 had been any different had Lee been inserted, we'll simply never know what may have been had JJ not been suspended before the Oregon game.
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Hell JJ himself will and has told us how well he played!
I know this bothers some fans to no end, but I'm being honest when I say I never cared at all. JJ started out an extremely shy kid who hated doing the interviews, and eventually seemed to overcompensate by never saying anything negative, about himself or anyone else. I can understand how some fans like to see a guy throw himself prostrate in front of the fans to take his beating after a poor performance...it's just never been anything I care about, regardless of the player.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:15 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Nearly all of us went out of our way to declare that we felt both were mediocre at best
Some might say that this was way too important to most of you.
As a general rule, the JJ supporters hated LSU fans for "whining" about inept coaching, and made it a point to tell everyone about how both QBs sucked.
As a general rule, the JL supporters insisted that both QBs could do well in a better-coached system, but insisted that the coaching staff was screwing over the whole team by dismantling the pro style passing attack we had. JL become a lightning rod to this group (myself included), because he became a symbol for all the petty bullshite Coach Miles engaged in to promote favoritism of one player over what was best for the team.
Team JJ will typically insist that fans shouldn't question the coaching staff, talk about how much they hate the LSU fanbase, talk about how racist Louisiana is, etc.
Team JL will typically express sorrow over all the shite LSU players have had to endure for the last 3 seasons due to the prideful and stubborn agenda of Coach Miles ... none more than JL. But here's the thing--if Miles did it to JL, he can and WILL continue to do it to other players as well. The program itself is rotten.
This thing doesn't end with the graduation of JL & JJ, as much as some want to pretend that it does.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:16 pm to longhorn22
Anchor's aweigh again! 
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:24 pm to Doc Fenton
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As a general rule, the JJ supporters hated LSU fans for "whining" about inept coaching, and made it a point to tell everyone about how both QBs sucked.
I think that's overstating it, Doc. I think those of us that felt the need to "defend" JJ also felt the need to say that we didn't feel either was great. It was more to do with attempting to show that while we may have preferred JJ given what we had, that we certainly weren't calling him a Heisman candidate.
I will agree with you at least in principle that I think both players were NEVER able to fully reach their potential for numerous reasons...but mostly it had to do with shitty coaching and being thrown into the mix long before ither was ready. It's a damn shame both of these guys were put through any of that.
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Team JJ will typically insist that fans shouldn't question the coaching staff, talk about how much they hate the LSU fanbase, talk about how racist Louisiana is, etc.
I'll deal with this a bit. LSU has a tremendously wonderful fanbase. We also have some of the shittiest around. Pointing that out should not be shocking. As far as the racal aspect goes, I'm sorry to point it out. I really am. I wish that it was never a apart of this, but to say that would be an outright lie. I'd never say it was the only thing driving this debate, as that would be absurd...but at the same time, to suggest it was a bigger driving force than it ought to be in 2011 is ignoring what really went on. I tend to feel that ignoring it only allows the problem to continue.
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Team JL will typically express sorrow over all the shite LSU players have had to endure for the last 3 seasons due to the prideful and stubborn agenda of Coach Miles
Team JL sounds swell.
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This thing doesn't end with the graduation of JL & JJ, as much as some want to pretend that it does.
I just don't have the huge issue with the most successful coach in LSU history as you do. Call me an apologist and send me to fan hell...but I just don't.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:34 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I just don't have the huge issue with the most successful coach in LSU history as you do.
Agreed. The way he's handled this whole thing over the last 4 years has been a real eye-opener to me, and even if he goes and reels off 42 consecutive wins starting this September, I still won't be a fan. That's just the way it is, and the way it will always be. I'm forever disgusted by him and the way he was openly antagonistic to the fanbase (to the detriment to both the players and to the program), and I am just now seeing old issues I once ignored in a new light.
I might post a little bit around here for baseball season, but I'm going to try to stay away from here this fall. This program has passed me by.
This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:54 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:Oh good grief.
Not a real fan if he is going to say thank you to 1 player.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 6:25 pm to AlxTgr
Doc Fenton great post, agree 100% 
Posted on 2/6/12 at 6:26 pm to Topwater Trout
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I think any fan that would go out of his way to praise one player (who wasn't even that good) over the entire team is a no good POS.
Holy shite. Maybe our fanbase is re....
Posted on 2/6/12 at 6:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Holy shite. Maybe our fanbase is re....
I seriously think that there's a segment of our fanbase that posts on this board that was born 2 or 3 generations too late. Because with their mentality, they'd have been right at home goosestepping around Germany, circa 1938.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 6:58 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:WTF???
the way he was openly antagonistic to the fanbase
When did this happen?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 7:06 pm to theantiquetiger
I saw it on FB too 
Posted on 2/6/12 at 8:05 pm to theantiquetiger
Posted on 2/6/12 at 8:49 pm to BT
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Of course he was, that's why he and whoever else piles on this are upset.
It works both ways, I'll be fair.
I've been a jlee homer since day one so of course I'm happy about it and support the ad.
Look i am a supporter of LSU and am on record as being a Lsu supporter... I think JL manage the game well this year 11/5 excluded. The coaches deside to go with the moble guy.. it is what it is i am not the coach... I wish JL would have gotten a shot on 1/9 but he didn't. I think its one thing to support ur choice of QB on the rant but to put it in the Newspaper for every Player to see make it seem like you are minimizing what the defense did all year and what our running game did.. Lets tell the truth here.. Both JJ and Lee we both very average at best somtime below average... It showed all year we ran the ball 70% of the time.. its not like they turned either one loose...
Posted on 2/6/12 at 9:09 pm to Doc Fenton
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That's just the way it is, and the way it will always be. I'm forever disgusted by him and the way he was openly antagonistic to the fanbase (to the detriment to both the players and to the program), and I am just now seeing old issues I once ignored in a new light.
I hate to admit it, but that's how I feel right now. I'm a LSU grad and have had the same season tix for 25 yrs. and will continue going, but at this moment this whole situation, not just with Miles and the 2 QBs, but its effects on the fanbase as a whole, has created a huge, and wholly avoidable division. The same antagonistic arguments you see here could be heard in the tailgate lots and the stadium as well. And this was back in November, well before the fiasco in New Orleans took place.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 9:38 pm to Dinkle
Why are some people so stubborn that they can't see the total class that Jarrett Lee has shown in his time at LSU? The guy faced the media and answered every tough question in 2008. He played almost none in 2009. He saved a couple of huge SEC wins for LSU in 2010, yet as soon as Jordan Jefferson started playing better, Lee was buried on the bench. He handled every media question in pre-season 2011 with class, "I didn't come to LSU to transfer. I love it here." (That was before Shady's). All during, and after the 2011 season, Lee has never been anything but class.
Why is it so hard for some to see that his attitude won over many LSU fans?
Why is it so hard for some to see that his attitude won over many LSU fans?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 10:31 pm to Choupique19
Because by belittling Lee or lessening his play this season is an effort to help cover up Miles' decision.
Even the most ardent, true blue Miles lover knows what he did was a mistake and wrong. Still, they feel by helping to offer some cover for what he did they alleviate some of the damage. There is also some misguided loyalty in that they believe by defending Miles no matter what they are defending LSU.
There is even some denial involved as well. Many cannot face the fact that Miles did what he did for the reasons that he did. Therefore, there must be some other explanation: Lee had grade issues, he never went to class for a month, he was emotionally distraught from breaking up with his girlfriend, he didn't actually want to play against Alabama and Miles was protecting him, etc.
So:
Damage control
Loyalty...to Miles
Denial
Even the most ardent, true blue Miles lover knows what he did was a mistake and wrong. Still, they feel by helping to offer some cover for what he did they alleviate some of the damage. There is also some misguided loyalty in that they believe by defending Miles no matter what they are defending LSU.
There is even some denial involved as well. Many cannot face the fact that Miles did what he did for the reasons that he did. Therefore, there must be some other explanation: Lee had grade issues, he never went to class for a month, he was emotionally distraught from breaking up with his girlfriend, he didn't actually want to play against Alabama and Miles was protecting him, etc.
So:
Damage control
Loyalty...to Miles
Denial
Posted on 2/6/12 at 11:28 pm to Rudy40
I think most fans will wonder until the day they die why JJ seemed to be the only player that was never held accountable for his play on the field. Lee had 13 TDs to 1 pick going into the Bama game and I think everyone had the feeling that Les was just waiting for him to screw up so he could play JJ. Let a tailback put the ball on the ground and they'd sit. Now with JJ it was different story. He couldn't couldnt handle a snap from center, under hand tosses the ball to the defense but nothing happened. Not only was that unfair to Lee, but was unfair to every player on the team because everyone was held accountable except for JJ. I for one hope there was more to it than we know, maybe Lee wasn't going to class or whatever because I would like to believe that our staff wouldn't do that to someone who did all the right things. Guess we'll never really know.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:57 am to diehardtigah
Personally, I'm glad both JJ and JL are done. Since Matt Flynn graduated, the lack of a quality QB with both the skills and brains to properly lead this team has prevented LSU from winning it all. Looking forward to better days ahead.
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