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re: I've lost hope that Brandon Harris will be our starting QB next year.

Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:17 am to
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:17 am to
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BBI posted an article where Ponamsky interviewed his "best source" on the staff (not players, staff) and we all know he is tight with Frank Wilson.

This anonymous source trashed Brandon Harris for his inability to grasp simple concepts, play the position the way LSU wants it to be played, and for also not understanding the playbook or putting in extra effort.

Miles may not attach his name to it but he's not beyond trashing players anonymously to folks in the press in order to get his message across to the fans.

He definitely lost some respect when he did that to Harris (or allowed it to happen to Harris in the press anyway) anonymously...



im sorry...i have to respond to this post again. i just can't get over the amount of stupidity in it.

i'd also like a link to the article
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:17 am to
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please stop with this nonsense. Freshman play all the time, and Harris was an early enrollee who has been in the system since spring.

The "he's a freshman" excuse has worn very thin.


He's a true freshman. Perhaps you'd like to list the true freshmen that have had major impacts on teams at the QB position.
Posted by Gray Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:18 am to
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1. Arm strength.
2. Faster runner.
3. Better spacial awareness...which allows him to extend plays.



All of which you have gleaned from your many days observing LSU practices?

Ummmmm how many exactly?

Never mind, I'll just take your word on it since your coaching resume is way more impressive than anybody on the LSU staff.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:18 am to
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To distill it down and reduce it to as finea point as I can, at what point does it stop being on the palyer and start being on the coaches for a failure to develop.

I don't have the answer to that question. I do think its a great one, though. One worth discussing.



My thought is that the failure to develop after 2 seasons, especially with all the work Miles and Co. say AJ puts in, falls directly on the coaches. It is either a failure to develop, or a failure to identify talent that can be developed. Either one is their fault at this point.
Posted by redfieldk717
Alec Box
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:18 am to
Freshman qbs play all of the time? Damn I must have been black out the last 20 years
Posted by trooploop
Member since Feb 2013
831 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:20 am to
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top notch QB and he cant even contribute (or get a chance to contribute). Shall we call it lack of coaching?


There were six freshman QBs that started at Power 5 conference schools this year, let alone the SEC. Maybe we could be concerned if Cam had never developed a QB but the fact is he's never not developed a QB into a really good one. It may take more than one season.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:20 am to
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This anonymous source trashed Brandon Harris for his inability to grasp simple concepts, play the position the way LSU wants it to be played, and for also not understanding the playbook or putting in extra effort.


I'm not buying this.

The coaching staff started Harris against Auburn, on the road, early in the year. They wouldn't have done that if Harris couldn't grasp the playbook.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:22 am to
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Choctaw
quote:

wait...so Miles lost respect because he "allowed" a supposed anonymous person to "trash" a player to Ponamsky?

seems reasonable


This is part of what's so irksome for me, for both Miles and folks who defend what happened there.

To me-personally speaking again-if we accept as a given just how amazingly well Miles has been able to control the message and the information coming out of his program-and I'd say its a given that there are much fewer leaks in terms of inside info available nowadays-then Miles has to be aware of what was said and how it was said. If he wasn't in the room then he had to know what was up there.

To not come out and correct that-again when he's shown a penchant for defending players from mischaracterizations in the press vehemently in the past-is very telling to me.

Just my $0.02. Which won't pay for tax on a cup of coffee these days.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118977 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:23 am to
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I've lost hope that Brandon Harris will be our starting QB next year.
quote:

IMO the "freshman" excuse is no longer relevant
quote:

Please list true freshman QBs that have been successful in the SEC
Still waiting.



Well you're just giving me a little more evidence to convince me that tRants assertion that BH is the future is wrong.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56663 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:23 am to
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Okay I'll give you that but getting better at reading defenses is best achieved by getting game time experience. Miles hasn't given BH that opportunity since Auburn.



No, it's more than that.

The QB not only needs to "know the playbood". He needs to understand the blocking schemes and make the calls at the line of scrimmage in the running game. That involves an understanding of the defensive front that he's seeing and the play being called.

In the passing game, he needs to understand his protection and again the defensive front that he's seeing. He needs to be able to recognize when there is a problem with protection so that he can adjust.

Although I have no personal knowledge, I'd be willing to bet that Harris is failing on these pre-snap reads. Post-snap, I think the staff could adjust the play calling, give him half the field to work with and get things done.

But, if on 1st and 10, the kid can't get us into the right running play so that we're in 2nd and 5 instead of 2nd and 12, or handle a situation when we are 3 wide and the defense walks up an extra defender to blitz, then he can't play.

The good news about Harris is that once he gets these things down, his talent should take over. If he gets 5-7 plays in a game where he has time to throw the ball downfield, our offense goes from average to great.



Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:23 am to
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To me-personally speaking again-if we accept as a given just how amazingly well Miles has been able to control the message and the information coming out of his program-and I'd say its a given that there are much fewer leaks in terms of inside info available nowadays-then Miles has to be aware of what was said and how it was said. If he wasn't in the room then he had to know what was up there.

To not come out and correct that-again when he's shown a penchant for defending players from mischaracterizations in the press vehemently in the past-is very telling to me.



Talk about a monumental reach for a reason to hate on Les.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:24 am to
first of all...Miles has never done anything "anonymously"

secondly...as much as some of you like to blame him for everything, he can't control the words that come out of peoples mouths.

thirdly...i'd like to see a link to this article
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 9:26 am
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Member since Jan 2012
17823 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:24 am to
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Miles may not attach his name to it but he's not beyond trashing players anonymously to folks in the press in order to get his message across to the fans.

He definitely lost some respect when he did that to Harris (or allowed it to happen to Harris in the press anyway) anonymously...
Say what you want. Miles has NEVER thrown a player under the bus. Even when he's taking a ton of heat from imbeciles, he NEVER takes the easy way out by blaming a player - NEVER. Even if it's obvious a player's at fault.

You can say a lot of shite about Miles, but that's one thing you can't say. He always defends and supports his players - every player - even if it makes things harder on himself.
Posted by redfieldk717
Alec Box
Member since Oct 2011
28117 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:25 am to
ponamsky is gospel brah!
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:26 am to
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Choctaw
quote:



im sorry...i have to respond to this post again. i just can't get over the amount of stupidity in it.

i'd also like a link to the article


I'm not linking you to the article. It's on their website and its from two or three weeks ago.

I'd also like to go on the record as saying that I haven't called anyone stupid or gone to the ad hominem stuff here to respond to anyone I disagree with (SEC rant is different LOL). If you disagree I get it. You can also tell me why you do. But the stupid stuff is sort've uncalled for. However this is the Rant. Flame away if you must.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:26 am to
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Well you're just giving me a little more evidence to convince me that tRants assertion that BH is the future is wrong.


You do realize part of Les's job is to win games this year, right?

He can't play harris and risk losing all the games just o HOPEFULLY have a capable QB next year. There really weren't many spots to get Harris into the game after Auburn except for the Kentucky and Arkansas games.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18503 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:26 am to
Can we all agree that our QB situation is a mess when we are counting on a true Freshman? We have a true Sophomore who played like shite all season. Why not play the scholarship upperclassmen...b/c we don't have any. Only positive is that both guys are young and will grow as players, and hopefully become better. But, there is no way in hell our QB situation should be so phuq'd.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 9:27 am
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:26 am to
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Well you're just giving me a little more evidence to convince me that tRants assertion that BH is the future is wrong.



This is my point.

If BH is so woefully inadequate, doesnt work hard, etc.

Then how is he the future, and doesnt that leave the program, and I cant believe Im saying this, in an even worse position at qb than when we had JJ?
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:27 am to
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LNCHBOX
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Talk about a monumental reach for a reason to hate on Les.


The monumental reach is saying I've ever said I hate Miles. I don't. I dislike some of the choices and decisions he's made and I question genuinely how he's reached them.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18152 posts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:27 am to
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quote:1. Arm strength. 2. Faster runner. 3. Better spacial awareness...which allows him to extend plays.


quote:

All of which you have gleaned from your many days observing LSU practices? Ummmmm how many exactly?


This is nonsense. We don't have to be at practice every day to see what's plainly obvious on the field.

I don't need to be a doctor to know that a guy with a gash needs stitches.

Look, I'll acknowledge that Harris wet the bed against Auburn, but AJ did no better. But except for that one game, Harris showed more arm strength, accuracy, foot speed, and overall playmaking ability. Also, the team responded to him and played with more energy.

I'm sorry if you can't see that, but it's crystal clear to all of us not wearing purple and gold glasses.
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