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Posted on 10/21/12 at 2:09 pm to biglego
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Strangely, there's a bunch of people here who think if the offense improved the defense would automatically regress. They respond to LaTech's offense against aTm by discussing defense. Weird.
It's the Sunshine Pumper "Chewbacca" defense. If you want the offense to look better then obviously you want the defense to start sucking.
It's logical in their warped minds.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 2:12 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Agreed. Pass protection is poor.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 2:18 pm to ironsides
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It's also like you guys don't watch other football games and then listen to ESPN's talk about the latest fad.
Most people simply aren't all that bright. They're not capable of doing their own analysis, so they latch on to whatever their favorite talking head says.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 2:20 pm to NOSA
Our coaches need to develop/recruit better receivers. better WR are equal to ours but they have a better scheme. Our scheme sucks and it will continue to sucks with MILES
Posted on 10/21/12 at 2:23 pm to Tiger79
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Our coaches need to develop/recruit better receivers
And that is something that should scare the hell out of any LSU fan. What top notch recevier would ever want to come here and play in this 1970 offense and get thrown 1 maybe 2 passes a game if lucky. Hate to say it but this will start affecting offense recruiting before long, if it isnt already.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:31 pm to lsu mike
From a realistic point of view, you guys may be right, but what the hell does it matter? Anyone talking about Les Miles might as well stop because be isn't leaving. Accept it. There is a great likelihood that he will retire at the HC at LSU when he wants. None of this incessant whining will do anything about that, and that's the bottom line. The guy is one percentage point from Urban Meyer's record winning percentage in the SEC. That doesn't get you fired ANYWHERE.
It's all very simple, really. We had really good offenses until Jimbo left. It lasted one more year into 07, thanks to the fact that there were a lot of really well trained and smart juniors and seniors, a couple of whom were great leaders as well, on offense that kept things rolling. The cracks started showing up in 08, and it all fell apart in 09. Again, there is no mystery here. Three years of good offense followed by struggles. At whatever level Miles is personally involved, it is clear that the ability of the rest of the staff still has a big impact.
I gave Miles credit before last season for taking some action to help our QBs, hiring an OC that has a rep for working with them. It isn't his or anyone else's fault the way that turned out. And the timing of it forced a snap decision on naming a replacement. Where Miles screwed up is in keeping Studs in that role for this season, when it was clear how much he was outclassed in the BCSNCG.
Studs looked competent for most of last year because we had a dominant line and a true playmaker at WR. It is clear that he is WAY, WAY out of his depth now. A better OC would be able to use creativity and matchups to help cover our decencies in pass protection and at WR, but Studs just isn't up to it. He just puts us in max protect with two average WRs running basic routes. That won't work against anyone. Add in the QB and the lack of just basic offensive chemistry, and here we are.
So, it's a combination of things. I hope Miles will see this and make the call after the season. Keeping Kragthorpe is fine, as long as a we get a real OC, in the Jim McElwain style. Someone who knows power football, but can supplement it with a real passing game. Whine about this all you want. Stop wasting your time complaining about Miles. That's the stupidest thing happening in this thread. Nothing any of us ever says or does will EVER affect his job status.
It's all very simple, really. We had really good offenses until Jimbo left. It lasted one more year into 07, thanks to the fact that there were a lot of really well trained and smart juniors and seniors, a couple of whom were great leaders as well, on offense that kept things rolling. The cracks started showing up in 08, and it all fell apart in 09. Again, there is no mystery here. Three years of good offense followed by struggles. At whatever level Miles is personally involved, it is clear that the ability of the rest of the staff still has a big impact.
I gave Miles credit before last season for taking some action to help our QBs, hiring an OC that has a rep for working with them. It isn't his or anyone else's fault the way that turned out. And the timing of it forced a snap decision on naming a replacement. Where Miles screwed up is in keeping Studs in that role for this season, when it was clear how much he was outclassed in the BCSNCG.
Studs looked competent for most of last year because we had a dominant line and a true playmaker at WR. It is clear that he is WAY, WAY out of his depth now. A better OC would be able to use creativity and matchups to help cover our decencies in pass protection and at WR, but Studs just isn't up to it. He just puts us in max protect with two average WRs running basic routes. That won't work against anyone. Add in the QB and the lack of just basic offensive chemistry, and here we are.
So, it's a combination of things. I hope Miles will see this and make the call after the season. Keeping Kragthorpe is fine, as long as a we get a real OC, in the Jim McElwain style. Someone who knows power football, but can supplement it with a real passing game. Whine about this all you want. Stop wasting your time complaining about Miles. That's the stupidest thing happening in this thread. Nothing any of us ever says or does will EVER affect his job status.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
They can recruit more fricking wr's and qb's
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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The line just can't hold that long and the receivers can't get separation. This is not a scheme issue.
I promise you there are quite a few college coaches that could get more out of our very own offensive players than our coaches.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:04 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Agreed! Been saying this for weeks.
We need to play action more on 1st down, though.
Hill should continue to get 20 carries per game. Ride that horse!!!
We need to play action more on 1st down, though.
Hill should continue to get 20 carries per game. Ride that horse!!!
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
No. You must not watch the games. The passing scheme is awful. A limited number of routes and a Simplistic design.
Yes, we threw but with little design or purpose.
We use little if any misdirection.
Our offense is crap.
The numbers don't lie. 112 th rank in passing. 2-16 3rd down conversions vs aTm. I think we had 1 3rd down conversion vs UF after our first drive. Absolutely shitty red zone efficiency.
You're blind as shite.
Yes, we threw but with little design or purpose.
We use little if any misdirection.
Our offense is crap.
The numbers don't lie. 112 th rank in passing. 2-16 3rd down conversions vs aTm. I think we had 1 3rd down conversion vs UF after our first drive. Absolutely shitty red zone efficiency.
You're blind as shite.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I disagree,The problem is the scheme and coordination of the offense,or lack there of.If it doesn't improve this year changes should be made.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:28 pm to NOSA
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Mett has his own problems that are made worse by this too
you hit the nail on the head there. people want to bash mettenberger, but the fact is, he isn't getting much help from the offensive line or the receivers. he's a jr, i understand that, but going into this season, he hadn’t played a meaningful down at the college level, so he's going to go through some "growing pains", as would any qb. the offense is strugginling because of his issues, but his problems look worse because the offensive line and wr's are playing like shite.
This post was edited on 10/21/12 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:58 pm to Brendoni
Does not matter who OC is because Miles will overrule any innovation that a good OC will suggest. As Les said himself in post game 2 games ago, "we are going to run the ball and throw it enough to try and keep the other defense honest" .
This is simply it and Les will allow nothing else.
We will play big 10 Michigan football and lose 1-2 games a year because a 3rd grader could defend our play calling.
This will remain a constant as long as Les is here. Period
This is simply it and Les will allow nothing else.
We will play big 10 Michigan football and lose 1-2 games a year because a 3rd grader could defend our play calling.
This will remain a constant as long as Les is here. Period
Posted on 10/21/12 at 8:25 pm to Larry Hollins
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if JL were the qb this year we would be undefeated and we beat a&m by 20.
But he's not, so when you see that the QB you're playing is having a very off day and it's windy as hell, don't keep going long and passing when you've got Jeremy Hill and Ford looking good.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 8:32 pm to misey94
This is far and away the best analysis in this whole thread. Miles will be our coach as long as he wants to be. If we fired someone with his track record, we would be the laughing stock of college football. That said, all of us wish we would be more creative and multi-dimensional on offense. The attempt to do so with Kragthorpe didn't work out for reasons beyond anyone's control. We can just hope Miles makes a similar hire to replace Studrawa this offseason, and that more experience/fewer injuries on the offensive line, combined with more seasoning for Mettenberger, make for a more effective offense next year.
This post was edited on 10/21/12 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 10/21/12 at 9:02 pm to AlwysATgr
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Appeals to our record are artificial. Why? Because if our O was as functional as our D it's not at all unreasonable to think we would not have lost a game since '09 vs Bama if that.
And here, in my opinion, is main source of all the whining, crying and hysteria. I think you actually believe what you posted. If LSU would have had a better offense we would know be riding a 28 game winning streak! Really dude? Can you be that totally void of perspective? Bama has an offense that many think we should have, they have the best HC in the history of the world and the most resources of anyone...and they are 1 out of 3 against CLM...who has the worst offense in the history of the world! How in the frick can that happen?
Maybe, just maybe, you don't know "shite from shinola". I don't even know what shinola is but I know you should leave the football analysis to those of us who are better at it.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 9:11 pm to misey94
Your analysis makes more sense than just about anything I've ever seen on the Rant. Good job!
Posted on 10/21/12 at 9:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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My biggest problem with the coaching yesterday was actually the 4th quarter drive we had up 14-12 when we moved it down to field running the ball then we started getting cute when we got to first and goal. If we had just kept smashing it we probably go 21-12 right there instead of kicking the field goal and letting them hang around.
This good example of impressions people get from watching a game but not studying the replay afterwards. I know most people don't have the time or desire to do this, but forming opinions without having all the information possible is just wrong.
On the play you cited, if you go back and watch this play, you will see that a running play was called (the line was all blocking down) but presnap Mett looked over and saw that Landry had been left completely uncovered.
TAMU's CB had been misaligned and was sprinting from the right side of the line over to the left to cover Landry. I don't think Mett saw the CB running over, or if he did it was already too late once the ball was snapped. He completed the throw but the CB managed to get over in time to blow the play up.
So as nearly as I can tell from the replay, this one was not on the coaching staff, but just on a weird sequence of events. It happens and is just the fortune of the game sometimes. If the CB had adjusted just a step or two slower it would probably have been a TD.
Like most of the blame that gets laid on the coaching staff by uninformed fans, the truth is usually something else.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 12:34 pm to lsuexpert57
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Appeals to our record are artificial. Why? Because if our O was as functional as our D it's not at all unreasonable to think we would not have lost a game since '09 vs Bama if that.
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And here, in my opinion, is main source of all the whining, crying and hysteria. I think you actually believe what you posted. If LSU would have had a better offense we would know be riding a 28 game winning streak! Really dude?
Since you disagree with my thesis, why not name one game since '09 that we could not "reasonably" have won if our O was as functional as our D? The only one that comes to mind is OM '10 where arguably our O out-perfomed our D.
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