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re: It'll only take ONE game to know what we're in for with Harris.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:40 am to TigerFanNKaty
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:40 am to TigerFanNKaty
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This has been the case for sometime. I stated this in a thread a couple of days ago. Louisiana is stockpiled with skill position players and our rankings have been propped up by them.
Exactly. Our recruiting rankings are prooped up by 5 star wrs and 5 star dbs that dont have near the impact as all those 5 star lineman that Bama has gotten.
I agree lsu is more talented than most team but we are not vastly superioir like some would have you believe. The only program in the sec thats vastly superior in talent than most teams they play is bama.
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:43 am to Penrod
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Rick, you're trying to eat your cake and still have it. You write in an earlier post that Ole Miss recruits as well as us, but you also say that Bama recruits better than us. The two gaps are similar.
No they are not.
As you can see with the total numbers on the far right that the classes the last 4 years have the gap between #1 and #2 BIGGER than the gap between #2 and #7.
Thats not even counting that our recruiting rankings are propped up by skill position players which LA produces in droves.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 9:45 am
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:46 am to Rickdaddy4188
Yep, and there is no use arguing with folks who only read headlines and click bait articles on the internet. U won't change their minds when it doesn't fit their agenda.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:52 am to Brazos
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agree that we will know after this game. If we see same as last year people will be making one excuse after the other but we all know deep down that it could be a frustrating year.
If I were BH, I think I would try to cover all the bases, and get in touch with JJ. BH prob feels there's no pressure about getting yanked, and unless he fumbles 8 times on the attempted off tackle dive plays the job is his.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:53 am to redfishfan
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Cam was bringing Harris along nicely last season until the injury at Bama. Kid played solid up until that point.
To be fair, the level of competition up until that game was fairly weak.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:54 am to CelticDog
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in my confections, I let Wisconsin have a couple of FGs a quarter.
LSU 70 Wisconsin 18.
Way to generous
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:06 am to TigerFanNKaty
I read the doom and gloom over our pass offense, then took a look at the historical record.
LSU All-Time Season Leaders for Passing Yards
SEASON
1. 3,347 Rohan Davey (217-367) 2001
2. 3,129 JaMarcus Russell (232-343) 2006
3. 3,082 Zach Mettenberger (192-296) 2013
4. 2,825 Matt Mauck (229-358) 2003
5. 2,655 Tommy Hodson (183-317) 1989
6. 2,609 Zach Mettenberger (207-352) 2012
7. 2,542 Jeff Wickersham (193-337) 1983
8. 2,443 JaMarcus Russell (188-311) 2005
9. 2,407 Matt Flynn (202-359) 2007
10. 2,261 Tommy Hodson (175-288) 1986
11. 2,231 Josh Booty (153-309) 2000
12. 2,166 Jordan Jefferson (182-296) 2009
13. (tie) 2,165 Brandon Harris 2015
13. (tie) 2,165 Tommy Hodson 1985
Miles coached teams
* Please note that all stats are from LSUsports.net, the Official Site of LSU Athletics
LSU All-Time Season Leaders for Passing Yards
SEASON
1. 3,347 Rohan Davey (217-367) 2001
2. 3,129 JaMarcus Russell (232-343) 2006
3. 3,082 Zach Mettenberger (192-296) 2013
4. 2,825 Matt Mauck (229-358) 2003
5. 2,655 Tommy Hodson (183-317) 1989
6. 2,609 Zach Mettenberger (207-352) 2012
7. 2,542 Jeff Wickersham (193-337) 1983
8. 2,443 JaMarcus Russell (188-311) 2005
9. 2,407 Matt Flynn (202-359) 2007
10. 2,261 Tommy Hodson (175-288) 1986
11. 2,231 Josh Booty (153-309) 2000
12. 2,166 Jordan Jefferson (182-296) 2009
13. (tie) 2,165 Brandon Harris 2015
13. (tie) 2,165 Tommy Hodson 1985
Miles coached teams
* Please note that all stats are from LSUsports.net, the Official Site of LSU Athletics
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:09 am to Rickdaddy4188
so explain to me why being 17th in the country in 2nd half points proves that when we went up 14 in the first quarter against MSU and proceeded to throw the ball 11 times, 8 of which were 3rd downs, we did not get super conservative and basically try running the clock out? What does that stat have to do with the specifics of this game?
Some people had 1-10 rent a wins, we had 10-1 rent a wins. They were both easy rent a wins, yet your stats looks at ours and sees Bama and WKU as equals. Can you not see how this skews the SOS?
I said we had a cupcake schedule b/c we did outside of our usual hard games. Playing Auburn, Ole Piss, Bama, Arkansas, A&M, MSU, UF every year will always be difficult. I was merely pointing out that traditional good teams weren't that good in UF/Auburn, MSU was down from the previous year high, USC was terrible, and our OOC schedule was as cupcake as it's been in years. We play an extremely difficult schedule every year.
And i did not say stats are subjective. I asked you if they were since how you present them as facts is subjective.
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Again, EVERYONE HAD RENT A WINS LAST YEAR. Our rent a wins were against far better rent a wins. Your opinion that we had an easy schedule does not outweigh facts proving we didnt just because it doesnt fit your opinion.
Some people had 1-10 rent a wins, we had 10-1 rent a wins. They were both easy rent a wins, yet your stats looks at ours and sees Bama and WKU as equals. Can you not see how this skews the SOS?
I said we had a cupcake schedule b/c we did outside of our usual hard games. Playing Auburn, Ole Piss, Bama, Arkansas, A&M, MSU, UF every year will always be difficult. I was merely pointing out that traditional good teams weren't that good in UF/Auburn, MSU was down from the previous year high, USC was terrible, and our OOC schedule was as cupcake as it's been in years. We play an extremely difficult schedule every year.
And i did not say stats are subjective. I asked you if they were since how you present them as facts is subjective.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:18 am to redfishfan
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I thought it was very obvious Cam was bringing Harris along nicely last season until the injury at Bama. Kid played solid up until that point.
no, it was less about the injury and more about the stronger competition.
Our schedule pre-Bama was much weaker than post-Bama.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:21 am to Rickdaddy4188
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As you can see with the total numbers on the far right that the classes the last 4 years have the gap between #1 and #2 BIGGER than the gap between #2 and #7.
I dont' recall him saying it wasn't bigger. He merely said they were similar gaps, which they are.
To help you out,
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sim·i·lar 'sim(?)l?r/ adjective 1. resembling without being identical.
I guess from your logic Auburn isn't as good as LSU at recruiting b/c LSU's ranking is BIGGER than there's. But that's not what you said isn't it? You said
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Texas a&m,ole miss, uga, auburn, and florida all recruit on the same level as lsu.
the word same would mean that in your ranking they all would be at 884.25, but they are not. So they are not recruiting on the same level as LSU.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:26 am to TeddyPadillac
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so explain to me why being 17th in the country in 2nd half points proves that when we went up 14 in the first quarter against MSU and proceeded to throw the ball 11 times, 8 of which were 3rd downs, we did not get super conservative and basically try running the clock out? What does that stat have to do with the specifics of this game?
Your initial post said Miles shuts down the offenss if he gets a lead even if its the 1st quarter. That cant be true if we averaged highest amount of 2nd half points of any sec team. In all but 3 games we had the lead in the 1st quarter and we ended up averaging more points in the 2nd half than any team in the sec.
Just because we score less in the 2nd half against better team (something that happens at 99% of all programs) doesnt mean that Miles shits down his gameplan the minute he gets a lead.
Ole miss was the most productive offense in the sec and there 2nd half points in sec(oitside of the bama game)wasnt that much different than lsu unless you consider 10 2nd half points to 7 2nd half points a huge difference.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:28 am to TeddyPadillac
I think what he is saying is the talent gap between numerical ratings isn't as big as we tend to think. What is the real difference in a class ranked 5 and 10 from a quality of player difference. I don't think it's much once they get on campus and start getting coached and proper workout instruction.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:30 am to TeddyPadillac
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dont' recall him saying it wasn't bigger. He merely said they were similar gaps, which they are.
To help you out,
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Im still waiting on you to list the stats that are subjective
Also i never said lsu wasnt more talented. I said we arent vastly superior to most teams in the sec.
Lsu doesnt have a vast talent gap over the majority of the teams they face. Bama's gap over lsu the last 4 years is bigger than ole miss's gap the last 4 years. The gap in the last 2 years between lsu and bama hasnt close yet the gap between lsu and ole miss has closed. How is that hard to understand?
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 10:31 am
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:34 am to TeddyPadillac
Boom.....
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:38 am to TeddyPadillac
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I guess from your logic Auburn isn't as good as LSU at recruiting b/c LSU's ranking is BIGGER than there's. But that's not what you said isn't it? You said
Same level. The difference between lsu and the 5th most talent is 30 recruiting points. That's the same level. Bama's gap over #2 is 112 points. This notion that its lsu and bama and then everyone else is utter bullshite. The 7th most talented roster is closer in talent to lsu than lsu is to bama and the last 2 draft classes have proven that.
You know what? Who cares. Yeah Miles always shuts down the offense once he gets a lead. Sure. Forget the FACTS. The untrained eye of an anonymous poster that make opinions based off of tv broadcasts should outweigh that fact.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 10:40 am
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:38 am to dukke v
Thats not close to a boom. Nothing i said was incorrect.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:41 am to ellessuuuu
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Les Miles is going to keep everything close to the vest. Should be good enough to win 8-9, maybe 10 games during the regular season. This is not a Brandon Harris problem, this is an offensive scheme problem. You have a QB that is a threat to run, put him in a position to utilize that threat, don't neutralize it by putting him in a 2TE, I-formation set.
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Nothing has changed
Wait. Did I sleep through the first game of the season?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:49 am to Rickdaddy4188
But that chart you keep putting up is not facts... It's someone's opinion....
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:50 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Im still waiting on you to list the stats that are subjective
I would say recruiting rankings is a subjective statistic. The very basis of the numbers you are providing are ground in the subjective opinions of sportswriters, "experts", etc. You have one kid with different rankings, or stars, from different experts. It even changes solely when they find out the kid is being recruited by someone such as Nick Saban. It's purely subjective.
What I find interesting is that you are solely basing your argument that LSU does not have superior talent, on a subjective measurement. Recruiting rankings of high school kids who have never played a down of college football.
I'm curious as to why you would argue this subjective measurement, as opposed to what these kids do while in college? Which is generally measured by whether or not they get drafted, or actually play in the NFL. That would seem to be a more accurate measurement of the caliber of kids LSU is getting. But I'm guessing that might go against your argument of LSU and its' superior talent?
So I guess if I was you I'd argue the subjective numbers to support my argument as well....
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:50 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Your initial post said Miles shuts down the offenss if he gets a lead even if its the 1st quarter
I did. And i showed you an example of that from the first game against MSU that you keep dismissing b/c of a season long stat that means nothing.
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That cant be true if we averaged highest amount of 2nd half points of any sec team.
so explain to me why we only threw it 11 times, 8 on third down after the first quarter 14-0 lead?
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Just because we score less in the 2nd half against better team (something that happens at 99% of all programs) doesnt mean that Miles shits down his gameplan the minute he gets a lead.
Who's saying this? What i'm talking about is when we play an inferior opponent and we get a lead, we tend to play a bit more conservative than most would like. And it's not that the play is conservative, it's that it's extremely predictable.
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wasnt that much different than lsu unless you consider 10 2nd half points to 7 2nd half points a huge difference.
I don't consider it a huge difference, but i'm sure you would if it helped proved your point.
You are pulling one stat and using it to prove that LSU isn't conservative with the lead. That stat shows us racking up points against shitty teams in the 2nd half, when we should have been scoring those points in the first half by the way but we didnt', and not scoring as much against good teams, which is expected. We can still be conservative and score points by the way. We do that b/c we are vastly superior to the majority of the teams we play. We lined up against Syracuse and told them the play, then ran it down their throats. We do that to a lot of teams. Problem is Miles thinks he can do that to the teams that have equal or better talent than us.
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