re: It'll only take ONE game to know what we're in for with Harris.

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As you can see with the total numbers on the far right that the classes the last 4 years have the gap between #1 and #2 BIGGER than the gap between #2 and #7.

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73 and 112? Yeah, 112 is larger than 73, but that's the same order of magnitude. If Bama's 112 gap means they are out recruiting us, then our 73 gap means we're out recruiting Ole Miss. If not, then it sure looks like your criteria are designed to support your case. And it's not necessary for your case, which I agree with, and can be more accurately stated thus:

1. LSU does not have a big talent advantage over the top half of the SEC.
2. Bama DOES have a big talent advantage over us.
3. LSU has far more talent on its roster than anyone in the SEC except Bama, and LSU has approximately equal talent as Bama.
4. LSU's talent is far better than its ranking by the recruiting services. This is because there is a tremendous density of talent in Louisiana, and the services make money by flattering large markets, so they spread high recruiting rankings around.
5. Although LSU has almost as much talent as Bama, and more than any other SEC team, it's mitigated by the fact that much of our talent is unusable due to being concentrated at a few position groups.

This set of five propositions explains all of the stats that are seemingly contradictory and are fueling this argument. Those are:

1. LSU puts as many folks in the NFL (and they perform) as Bama and more than anyone else in the SEC.
2. LSU's recruiting rankings do not support the idea that LSU has a talent advantage over every team but Bama.
3. In spite of having a good coaching staff LSU is underperforming its talent (as measured by the NFL, not the recruiting services).

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did. And i showed you an example of that from the first game against MSU that you keep dismissing b/c of a season long stat that means nothing.

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Its means your statement is wrong. My god. We had leads in the 1st quarter in all but 3 games yet we finished 1st in the sec in 2nd half points. Only an idiot cant understand this. If miles always shuts it down after a lead even if its the 1st quarter and we had a 1st quarter lead in every game except 3 then how did we end up 1st in the sec in 2nd half points? Both cant be true and we know that one of them is a fact and one is the opinion of an untrained person that watches a tv broadcast.

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so explain to me why we only threw it 11 times, 8 on third down after the first quarter 14-0 lead?

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Because we have the best rb in cfb and a dominant run game.

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I don't consider it a huge difference, but i'm sure you would if it helped proved your point.

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Im not the one cherry picking stats and games to help my argument. Im using a season's worth of stats.

Im still waiting for the stat that isnt a fact.

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We do that b/c we are vastly superior to the majority of the teams we play.

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Only people that dont pay attention to cfb think lsu is vastly superior in talent to most teams.

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You are pulling one stat and using it to prove that LSU isn't conservative with the lead.

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Yeah the stat that disproves your claim that miles shuts it down with a lead even if its 1st quarter.

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That stat shows us racking up points against shitty teams in the 2nd half, when we should have been scoring those points in the first half by the way but we didnt', and not scoring as much against good teams,

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Holy shite. Do you follow cfb?
Please show me the program that scores more when they play better teams.
My god. You are just a miles hater that clearly loves moving the goal post just to shite on our staff. So should we be scoring in the 1st or 2nd half? Let me guess we should be dominating every single quarter and should never punt. You clearly think your opinion is of value. Its not.

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If Bama's 112 gap means they are out recruiting us, then our 73 gap means we're out recruiting Ole Miss

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I never said we werent out recruiting ole miss. I repeatedly said the gap between lsu and ole miss is smaller than the gap between lsu and bama. Thats it. Ive even repeatedly said losing to arkansas is unacceptable.

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LSU does not have a big talent advantage over the top half of the SEC

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Which was all i was saying.

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LSU has far more talent on its roster than anyone in the SEC except Bama, and LSU has approximately equal talent as Bam

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This just isnt true.

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LSU puts as many folks in the NFL (and they perform) as Bama and more than anyone else in the SEC.

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Not the last 2 years. Bama's 2016 draft class was almost as big as our last 2 classes combined.

In the last 2 years bama has seperated from even lsu.

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You're using it as fact, saying we aren't vastly superior to the majority of the teams we play (even though i was not talking about teams like Bama/Ole Piss/Auburn/UF, which is why i said majority and not all) b/c they are recruiting as good as us. Did you see anything in that Auburn game that would suggest the talent level on both sides of the field were near equa

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Youll know when im using something as a fact because ill say it. It's the same reason i didnt say strength of schedule is a fact. It's a ranking. Just like recruiting. Those recruiting rankings opinions outweigh the opinions of fricking teddypadillac though. Unless you get paid to evaluate highschool talent.

The posters im conversing with arent stupid. They undsrstand football. Are you 3 really sitting here saying bama wasn't vastly more talented than lsu in 2014&2015?
There is no way that Peej,Teddy and Penrod (my brother from another mother)actually believe that lsu was just as talented as bama in 2014 &2015

I am not the one saying LSU has as much talent as Bama. They have had great classes the last 3-4 years. But according to who????? Your opinion on who has how much talent is just as valuable as mine. But I will say that LSU is in the top 5 talent wise in the country. I am not sure who you would put behind them.

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Did you see anything in that Auburn game that would suggest the talent level on both sides of the field were near equal?

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Are you serious? The product the coach puts on the field doesnt take away the talent. I guess 2011 oregon wasnt talented because we stomped them.

Arkansas mustve been more talented last year because they easily beat us.
Thats the logic youre using.

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You sit on your arse and pull up stats and form your opinion on a team. Neither of us are right and the more accurate conclusion is somewhere in the middle.

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Ha ha. No. Stats( facts) outwiegh your opinion.
Now of course there is nuance. But you made a blanket statement that miles shuts it down after getting a lead even if its the 1st quarter. We ahd a 1st quarter lead in all but 3 games yet we finished with the highest average of 2nd half points in the sec.
Both of those can not be true. Since we know that your statement is an OPINION then im sure you can figure out the rest.

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I am!!! You?

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Na. my son wanted to play fall ball.
Got a tourney.