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re: It'll only take ONE game to know what we're in for with Harris.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:13 pm to Nix to Twillie
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:13 pm to Nix to Twillie
quote:Brandon Harris is NOT an I-Formation "Drop Back behind Center" passing QB.
We started last season with back to back games with less than 100 yards passing and the thought was that we were grooming Harris and would open up the offense as the season went on. To the credit of the coaches they tried to do just that but it would have never been their approach had they trusted BH from the beginning.
Many question whether or not he should have been offered a scholarship to play QB at LSU. He has the natural talent but doesn't fit the system.
Les and Cam are vainly trying to force him into being that "I-Form QB", but it hasn't quite worked as of yet. There's too steep a learning curve and it takes too long when the good ole [SQpg + RNDhle] equation is followed.
He's currently a Junior, so it's now or never. "Put up or Shut up" time for BH. Like every body is saying, he just has to improve the short-medium passing accuracy in the adult SEC games.
Will he and does he have the "Quick information processing Skills" (Going through WR Progressions/Reading Defenses) that are necessary to be a great QB?
The jury is still out without a verdict on those and we still
, but will very soon now........ 
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Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:14 pm to BigBrod81
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The offense will take chances when they have a QB under center who they can trust to make the proper reads. Yeah these throws that can't be picked.
I completely get what you're saying. But you can't wait for a 5th year SR to throw dangerous throws. The passing offense plays scared, and i just dont think they are going to get to the next level without loosening up a little.
But i do think CLM knows he can trust the running game and win 9-10 games a year. He's taking the easy way out instead of trying to go for the gold.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:16 pm to dukke v
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You can have all the talent you want but it still takes slot of the ball bouncing the right wsy for a team to go through a season with just one loss.
Yeah youre right. I guess i can be ok with 11-2 as long as we dont lose to arkansas and ole miss as the second loss and if we are actually competitive in the losses.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:20 pm to SportTiger1
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But i do think CLM knows he can trust the running game and win 9-10 games a year. He's taking the easy way out instead of trying to go for the gold.
Its not easy to win 9 games every single year. Its damn near impossible to win 10 games every year.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:29 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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These type of things are easy to look up rather than just regurgitating tired myths on here.
OK.
Brandon Harris attempted 14 passes in the MSU game last year, first game of the year. We went up 14 points in the first quarter. He threw 3 passes to get to those 14 points.
After we went up 14 points in the first quarter, he attempted 11 passes, 8 of which were on 3rd down, converting just 2 of them. Run, Run, Run, Run, uh oh it's more than 3rd and 10 so let's pass it. He dropped back on 2 other third downs and ran it.
I did not say anything about our offense not putting up points. Again, we have one of the best running backs that has ever played at this level. Of course we are going to run the ball a lot.
I'm not saying Les goes crazy conservative any time he gets a lead. I'm more saying that when Les realizes that they can run all over a team, see Auburn last year, he will run it down their throats, and i don't think anyone had a single problem with that game last year.
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we were 14th in the country (1st in the sec) in 2nd half points for gods sake
18.2 points per 2nd half
6 against bama
7 against Arkansas
10 against Ole Piss
7 against UF
7 against MSU
2 of these teams weren't even that good, and we beat them both.
Good thing we put up 27 against Cuse, and 24 against Eastern Michigan, and 34 against Western Kentucky, and 28 against South Carolina.
What we do outside of the 5 or so good games in the year means absolutely nothing, assuming we kicked their arse like we did last year.
Was this more factual for you?
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:29 pm to semjase
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Brandon Harris is NOT an I-Formation "Drop Back behind Center" passing QB.
This is by far miles' biggest flaw. His ability to evaluate highschool qbs and there ability to be successful in a prostyle offense. He takes these qbs that have never taken a snap under center and asks them to become something they have never been coached up to be. Even most prostyle recruits arent full field progression qbs.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:31 pm to TeddyPadillac
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.2 points per 2nd half
6 against bama
7 against Arkansas
10 against Ole Piss
7 against UF
7 against MSU
2 of these teams weren't even that good, and we beat them both.
Good thing we put up 27 against Cuse, and 24 against Eastern Michigan, and 34 against Western Kentucky, and 28 against South Carolina.
What we do outside of the 5 or so good games in the year means absolutely nothing, assuming we kicked their arse like we did last year.
Was this more factual for you?
The other teams in cfb and tthe sec ALSO PLAYED CUPCAKES. Im not using cupcakes for lsu And just sec stats for the other teams. All of those teams you mentioned played cupcakes too.
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What we do outside of the 5 or so good games in the year means absolutely nothing, assuming we kicked their arse like we did last year.
Holy shite. Are you under the assumption that only lsu scores less against better opponents? Because thats true for every program in cfb.
Also youre post said once miles god a lead he shite it down even if it was early.
I proved that statement to be utter bs. We were 1st in the sec in 2nd half points
This post was edited on 8/30/16 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:33 pm to Rickdaddy4188
IIRC LSU threw around 20 more att on 1st than 3rd.
I know there are more 1st than any other down, but the "every series is run, run, pass, punt" narrative is pure bs.
I know there are more 1st than any other down, but the "every series is run, run, pass, punt" narrative is pure bs.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:38 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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6 against bama
7 against Arkansas
10 against Ole Piss
7 against UF
7 against MSU
I dont care where it ranked nationwide or in the SEC. These numbers are not good.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
This was your post.
And its utter bullshite.
We were 17th in the country and 1st in the sec in 2nd half points. Thats using everyone's entire schedule. You using only good teams mean nothing because every program in cfb is less productive against better teams.
If miles always shite it down after a lead we wouldnt be 17th in the country in 2nd half points.
You act like that 17th ranking is attaines by using lsu's scores against cupcakes only and everyone else's in conf scores. Youre cherry picking games to help your argument.
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Once we get a lead, Les will try to run out the clock, even if it's the first quarter. If he thinks for 1 second that we can run all over a team, we will do just that.
And its utter bullshite.
We were 17th in the country and 1st in the sec in 2nd half points. Thats using everyone's entire schedule. You using only good teams mean nothing because every program in cfb is less productive against better teams.
If miles always shite it down after a lead we wouldnt be 17th in the country in 2nd half points.
You act like that 17th ranking is attaines by using lsu's scores against cupcakes only and everyone else's in conf scores. Youre cherry picking games to help your argument.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:41 pm to SportTiger1
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dont care where it ranked nationwide or in the SEC. These numbers are not good.
This happens at every program.
Thats not just an lsu instance. I swear if some of you would just pay attention to other programs youd realize that the problems you gripe about happen every where. Texas a&m, fsu, ohio state, auburn all recruit as well as lsu and they have less production against better competition.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:42 pm to Nix to Twillie
crazy how bama can turn coker into a national championship winning QB in just one year
coaching is the issue, not the players
coaching is the issue, not the players
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:45 pm to SportTiger1
Take a look at what ole miss scored 2nd half against memphis and florida and the 1st half of vandy.
AND THEY WERE THE BEST OFFENSE IN THE SEC
AND THEY WERE THE BEST OFFENSE IN THE SEC
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:50 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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The other teams in cfb and tthe sec ALSO PLAYED CUPCAKES. Im not using cupcakes for lsu And just sec stats for the other teams. All of those teams you mentioned played cupcakes too.
Stats, especially in college football, tell so little of the story.
Do you know what team had the #1 total defense last year? Boston College. They won 3 games.
Wisconsin was 3rd. They gave up 502 yards to Bama. The next best team they played all year was Northwestern.
Stats are misleading. What LSU does against quality opponents is what I care about.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:51 pm to Brayden
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crazy how bama can turn coker into a national championship winning QB in just one year
Yeah have a 5th year senior qb and surround him with more talent than any qb in cfb and a 2000 yard rusher.
Also, way to go out on a limb and make the bold statement that Bama's staff is better than LSU'S staff. That something you never hear anyone say. Keep an ear to the ground for that Fox Sports phone call.
Sorry for being a douche.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Stats, especially in college football, tell so little of the story.
Do you know what team had the #1 total defense last year? Boston College. They won 3 games.
Wisconsin was 3rd. They gave up 502 yards to Bama. The next best team they played all year was Northwestern.
They arent misleading when they easily prove a statement wrong. If miles shut it down with a lead we wouldnt finish 1st in the sec in 2nd half points. Period. There is no way those 2 can be true. Even when you count cupcakes. Every sec program played cupcakes. Not just lsu.
If youre saying lsu is less productive against the better teams they play then fine, but thats true of every program in cfb. Please show me the program that always raises its production against the better teams.
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Stats are misleading. What LSU does against quality opponents is what I care about.
Let me guess. Quality opponents are only opponents we lose too.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:55 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Yeah have a 5th year senior qb and surround him with more talent than any qb in cfb and a 2000 yard rusher.
same thing happened with mettenberger. he beckham, landry, hill, etc. no excuses
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Also, way to go out on a limb and make the bold statement that Bama's staff is better than LSU'S staff. That something you never hear anyone say. Keep an ear to the ground for that Fox Sports phone call.
more Lane Kiffin than anything. He is the goat.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:56 pm to justustm2
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Miles injects his fear of the passing game into his QBs. A QB can't be very successful when he has a deft fear of throwing an interception each time he goes back to pass. Kelly at Ole Miss is given the green light to use his skills and thus has no fear of an interception because his coach has no fear of an interception. Watson at Clemson has no fear of interceptions. Miles neuters his QBs by placing his fear of interceptions into their psyche where they are playing to avoid a turnover rather than being aggressive and using their confidence and skills to score on the other team. Like any endeavor in life, if you are constantly consumed about the negative rather than the positive, it paralyzes you and negates you abilities to achieve success out of fear of failure.
I think Miles still suffers from a form of PTSD stemming from the pick-six debacle of 2008.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:56 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Ole Miss 2nd half scoring...
Bama - 26 points
Vandy - 14
Florida - 10
Memphis - 10
aTm - 7
Auburn - 17
Arky - 28
LSU - 14
Ms St - 10
I'd take it.
Bama - 26 points
Vandy - 14
Florida - 10
Memphis - 10
aTm - 7
Auburn - 17
Arky - 28
LSU - 14
Ms St - 10
I'd take it.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 4:58 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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And its utter bullshite. We were 17th in the country and 1st in the sec in 2nd half points.
I showed you exactly what happened against MSU last year. We were content with our 14-0 lead in the first quarter.
I understand how stats work. Pad against the shitty teams, lesser than average against the good teams.
What we do against shitty teams isn't what other do. You will never see Les Miles score 60 or 70 against anyone. Hell he knelt on the 1 yard line against Ole Piss.
The way we play shitty teams is we want to get up quick in the first half, play younger guys in the second half and not have any injuries while not showing up the opponent.
Whereas some teams say we need to score as much as possible to impress the pollsters or committee or whatever.
The main point I was making, which you keep overlooking is the 2nd part of the sentence
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If he thinks for 1 second that we can run all over a team, we will do just that.
and I have no problem with it for the most part. That Iowa game with no Mett back in 2013, Les realized after the first possession that there was nothing they could do to stop the run game. Same as Auburn and Syracuse last year.
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