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It was time for Miles to go; O was the wrong hire. Both are true.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:02 am
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:02 am
I'm really tired of the O apologists saying, "Yeah, but Miles wasn't getting it done either." Or, the Miles apologists saying, "We fired Miles, the winningest coach in LSU history, for this?"
I know it's been said here and this is nothing new, but it needs to be said over and over again until it is common knowledge
1. Miles was done. He needed to go. The program was in decline and he had no plan to get it back up and winning big again. You can accept down seasons, but there has to be a plan. He didn't know what to do.
2. Orgeron was the wrong hire. Obviously. He had a plan, but was not the man to carry it out. His hire was a disaster taking the slow decline under Miles and turning it into a free fall.
Yes, I'd much rather have Miles than Orgeron. But, that comparison skews reality. The real situation was that Miles need to go AND we needed to hire a better coach.
Firing Miles mid-season without a strong replacement was also incredibly stupid.
I know it's been said here and this is nothing new, but it needs to be said over and over again until it is common knowledge
1. Miles was done. He needed to go. The program was in decline and he had no plan to get it back up and winning big again. You can accept down seasons, but there has to be a plan. He didn't know what to do.
2. Orgeron was the wrong hire. Obviously. He had a plan, but was not the man to carry it out. His hire was a disaster taking the slow decline under Miles and turning it into a free fall.
Yes, I'd much rather have Miles than Orgeron. But, that comparison skews reality. The real situation was that Miles need to go AND we needed to hire a better coach.
Firing Miles mid-season without a strong replacement was also incredibly stupid.
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Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:03 am to AlaTiger
Agreed. Miles had to go but O was a bad choice
I do apologize to les though as I thought anyone could maintain us. O proved that wrong
I do apologize to les though as I thought anyone could maintain us. O proved that wrong
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:04 am to AlaTiger
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Firing Miles mid-season without a strong replacement was also incredibly stupid.
I agreed with you until this point. He need to be fired midseason.... A competent ad would have worked tirelessly to have a strong list in place by the end of the season. Meanwhile orgeron was doing a good job as in interim
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:06 am to AlaTiger
Yep
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:06 am to AlaTiger
Congrats on this completely original thought.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:06 am to AlaTiger
Exactly. I am seeing lots of posts from people with piss poor memories claiming Miles teams always played their asses off. Which is absurd.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:08 am to AlaTiger
It's truly unbelievable that Alleva is still employed after this blunder.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:08 am to AlaTiger
Preach
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:10 am to AlaTiger
I don't think many people are actually saying that. It's more like, "if we were going to get rid of Miles, shouldn't we have gotten someone better to replace him?" It's a dig at Alleva and his halfassed hiring "search".
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:10 am to AlaTiger
Until they make a change at AD I don't think any of it will matter much.
Listening to sports radio the other day in Atlanta and even they were joking how incompetent Joe Alleva is and what a joke LSU is right now
Listening to sports radio the other day in Atlanta and even they were joking how incompetent Joe Alleva is and what a joke LSU is right now
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:18 am to Alatgr
LSU teams under Miles were physical and played hard.
If you remember differently , that's on you.
Any idiot can win 10 games at LSU. Never forget that.
If you remember differently , that's on you.
Any idiot can win 10 games at LSU. Never forget that.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:21 am to prplngldtigr
quote:yup. Miles sat in a golf cart and rolled a football out onto the practice field and let talent do the rest. I remember that bullshite.
Any idiot can win 10 games at LSU. Never forget that.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:22 am to AlaTiger
Well this is original..
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:22 am to pellietigersaint
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He need to be fired midseason...
Miles would have had a better record last year than O. Miles would not have lost to Florida.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 7:54 am to AlaTiger
Yes.
Someone asked me the other day if I was still and O fan.
I said I was never really an O fan, but I was definitely a "get rid of Miles" fan, so I'm glass half full.
Someone asked me the other day if I was still and O fan.
I said I was never really an O fan, but I was definitely a "get rid of Miles" fan, so I'm glass half full.
This post was edited on 10/7/17 at 8:14 am
Posted on 10/7/17 at 8:01 am to AlaTiger
Miles probably wasn't getting into heated arguments with his staff in front of the team either. The signs of insecurity are all there.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 8:07 am to AlaTiger
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A competent ad would have worked tirelessly to have a strong list in place by the end of the season.
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This. And I stand with the primary message of the OP. We have a lot of work to do, Tiger Nation, and first things first.
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A competent ad would have worked tirelessly to have a strong list in place by the end of the season.
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This. And I stand with the primary message of the OP. We have a lot of work to do, Tiger Nation, and first things first.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 8:10 am to AlaTiger
Agree with this. O's screwups didn't make me forget about years of blown games by Les.
I am behind LSU and the players.
Hopefully we can purge this crap in the future and straighten out
I am behind LSU and the players.
Hopefully we can purge this crap in the future and straighten out
This post was edited on 10/7/17 at 8:11 am
Posted on 10/7/17 at 8:17 am to pellietigersaint
quote:An interim coach has NO DOWNSIDE. If the team continues to lose it all falls on the previous coach. If they win he gets the credit.
orgeron was doing a good job as in interim
The mindset of an interim coach is completely different than that of a coach with a 3-5 year contact. The interim is in a “fix it now with what I have” the full time coach has to the same thing but also build for the future.
For O to complain about the lack of depth and the transfers and not having a kicker or throwing other players under the bus is him basically saying I am not responsible anything that happened while I was an assistant coach at LSU.
Don’t tell us that things are only going to get better and there will not be a drop-off in talent when you took the job then turn around and blame everyone but yourself when things become unhinged.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 8:17 am to AlaTiger
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Firing Miles mid-season without a strong replacement was also incredibly stupid.
"Incredibly stupid" doesn't begin to describe it if we fired Miles to hire O.
And that's what we ended up doing. (And I agree with your premise in the OP.)
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