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It isnt a Canada, or Aranda problem

Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:49 am
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56302 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:49 am
These guys have no program to work within. O has not implemented the conditioning, the film study, or the practice structure for these guys to succeed.

If you dont believe that, I dont know what to tell you.

O is 100% to blame.

Look at history. Canada and Aranda have been successful everywhere they have been. O never. Teams or in as good or better shape when they leave, with O the teams are in shambles.


The only hope we have as a team is that Aranda and Canada are given the reins, and that probably isnt happening.

A team without the structure in place in every aspect is going to fail. I would imagine West Monroe High School has a better program than O is running.
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8595 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:51 am to
Rantards will be here shortly to tell us everyone needs to go from this coaching staff because it's a "cancer."

Even though they have had immense success at other programs that will likely continue if they choose to move away from LSU.

There are a bunch of brainless zombies on this board.
Posted by Dawgfan128
Jackson
Member since Sep 2017
1296 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:54 am to
You are truly an idiot, and I think O is terrible.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16445 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:55 am to
No coordinator is perfect. I get that.

But it's hard to reconcile that two accomplished coordinators could simultaneously fail this miserably without outside "help."
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
Member since Aug 2008
11447 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:57 am to
Personally I think a huge problem is the players aren't playing hard for Coach O. When your head coach looks like a lost child looking for his mom on the sidelines and has no idea wth he's doing your players aren't going to play hard. The people can make all the excuses in the world about how thin LSU is on the lines but LSU just lost to f'ing Troy. There is no excuse to getting dominated by Troy at LSU.
Posted by statman34
Member since Feb 2011
2955 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:05 pm to
They have not only lost to Troy but been absolutely manhandled on the lines by MSU, Syracuse and now Troy. That is Hallman level bad.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56302 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

I think a huge problem is the players aren't playing hard for Coach O
this play hard shite needs to die. Playing hard happens when you know you are prepared. It isn't a rah rah deal
Posted by beachbum
Orange Beach, AL
Member since Nov 2011
228 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:49 pm to
And who’s to blame for O? Alleva...fire the problem or you’ll get the same results.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56302 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:13 pm to
Alleva should be run, but O intentionally did harm to the whole state. He knew he would put it in the ditch. Alleva is just the victim of the con.

He should be fired for giving him a contract like he did.
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
17891 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:24 pm to
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this play hard shite needs to die. Playing hard happens when you know you are prepared. It isn't a rah rah deal

tigerfoot laying down some truth in this thread. Btw, Coach Eauxf's answer today was basically to "step up" aka play harder. #WeFricked
Posted by drdoct
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2015
1609 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:28 pm to
Canada and Aranda are getting paid huge sums of money. Either could have said something either straight out or through some sort of leak that things weren't going good. Instead we got a snow job about how awesome we were and how we were going to dominate.

Sorry but they should have done more to ensure we were ready. They're paid more than normal due to having a coach who needed training wheels. They fell down on the job IMO. Perhaps it will come out later that they did a lot to sound the siren and then I'll accept they had no culpability, but for now they're in it with O.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56516 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

No coordinator is perfect. I get that.

But it's hard to reconcile that two accomplished coordinators could simultaneously fail this miserably without outside "help."



It almost makes you wonder if the talent/experience level of players they have to work with may be a problem, no?
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16445 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

It almost makes you wonder if the talent/experience level of players they have to work with may be a problem, no?


No.

Relative to what we're seeing on the field that hardly begins to 'splain it.
Posted by bobbyleewilliams
Tigertown
Member since Feb 2010
8267 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:40 pm to
quote:

Either could have said something either straight out or through some sort of leak that things weren't going good. Instead we got a snow job about how awesome we were and how we were going to dominate.

Has there been any comments from them lately?
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35271 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:40 pm to
Amen. Truth.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72653 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:44 pm to
WATCH OUT! you will have clowns here show up and tell you canada is dogshit! it is the same clowns who blamed jimbo, crowton, stud and cam instead of you know who!
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56516 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:58 pm to
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No.

Relative to what we're seeing on the field that hardly begins to 'splain it.



That's a big part of it.

Should we be losing to Troy? No.

But, the performance against Syracuse was predictable. The performance at Mississippi State was also predictable.

Accepting that we have very real personnel issues doesn't force you to think Orgeron is a good coach. I'm not sure why so many people have to ignore the obvious so they can make a case against Orgeron. The case against Orgeron writes itself.
Posted by blackmouthcur
Member since Sep 2016
400 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 5:42 pm to
Indeed. The coordinators submit game plans to the HC and he redlines them. The strategy and tactics for each game are his call. Thus, it is true that this is Canada's offense, but it is cut and pasted by Orgeron, to his satisfaction.

Canada's hands are absolutely tied by Orgeron. Canada, cocky, flippant, headstrong man that he is, strains against Orgeron's authoritarian persona.

Orgeron has nothing to lose, at this point, by handing all responsibility for the offense off to Canada, letting him rise or fall on his own merits. He should communicate his intent to both Canada and Aleva.

Meanwhile, he can line up Canada's replacement, just in case. Last time i checked, Orgeron's old buddy Hugh Freeze is looking for work. Get the band back together.

Regardless, Orgeron needs to let his $1.5mm goldenboy OC do his own gameplanning and play-calling.

Just do it.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 5:44 pm
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16445 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 6:11 pm to
quote:

The performance at Mississippi State was also predictable. 


I don't care to get into a useless argument. But IMO, there is no major talent, depth, experience factor that would result in us getting blown out by a terrible State team.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56516 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:59 am to
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I don't care to get into a useless argument. But IMO, there is no major talent, depth, experience factor that would result in us getting blown out by a terrible State team.



I think you are confusing "we shouldn't have a major depth/talent" issue that would result in us getting blown out with "we don't have a major depth/talent" issue that resulted in us getting blown out.

If you watched that game, we were getting dominated at the LOS. If you didn't notice that, watch it again. Lawrence couldn't play. Alexander got hurt early. Gilmore had to play way too many snaps and he's not that talented to begin with. In addition, Chaisson is extremely light on the edge...and our LBs were destroyed in the running game.

On offense, we couldn't protect at all, and except for one drive, we really couldn't run the ball.

That results in a blowout.

If LSU were completely healthy, we'd probably have enough on the DL to be above average. But, we definitely weren't healthy then, and we still aren't healthy. When we get Lawrence, Herron, and Alexander back, we'll be at our best...whatever that is. I expect the defense will make significant improvement at that point.
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