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Is this the fan consensus on coaching situation?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:06 pm
Is this how most posters feel concerning the 2011 coaching situation?
1.). Crowton needs to find a new job. Regardless of whether offensive woes are due to ineptitude or handcuffing of the offensive scheme by Miles, after three mediocre years, a change is necessary.
2.). Miles is the man for the job, but in a managerial role. I think we all agree that Les Miles, the man, the recruiter, and the emotional leader is a hell of a coach, but maybe his role in playcalling should go away... minus input on gimmick plays.
3.). Chavis had some tough games, but he is still a top DC. Our D had two underperforming games (Auburn and Arkansas), but those happened to be against two of the most prolific offenses in the country.
I think the real question becomes... is Billy Gonzales the next OC?
1.). Crowton needs to find a new job. Regardless of whether offensive woes are due to ineptitude or handcuffing of the offensive scheme by Miles, after three mediocre years, a change is necessary.
2.). Miles is the man for the job, but in a managerial role. I think we all agree that Les Miles, the man, the recruiter, and the emotional leader is a hell of a coach, but maybe his role in playcalling should go away... minus input on gimmick plays.
3.). Chavis had some tough games, but he is still a top DC. Our D had two underperforming games (Auburn and Arkansas), but those happened to be against two of the most prolific offenses in the country.
I think the real question becomes... is Billy Gonzales the next OC?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:07 pm to Stagg8
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Our D had two underperforming games (Auburn and Arkansas)
3. Ole Miss.
But I agree that Chavis is the man for the job.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:08 pm to Stagg8
you left out ole miss chavis laid an egg in that one as well as the ole miss game.
1 is dead on other than he needs to be fired, he doesnt deserve to look for another job.
2. 4mill is expensive for a guy that can't coach o or d but i dont think we can do much about him other than hope meechigan wants him.
3. like i said he bombed more than our 2 losses. we beat up on some sad o's to inflate stats and mobile qbs eat chavis for dinner. i think him and phil fulmer need to get back together and LSU go get another dc
1 is dead on other than he needs to be fired, he doesnt deserve to look for another job.
2. 4mill is expensive for a guy that can't coach o or d but i dont think we can do much about him other than hope meechigan wants him.
3. like i said he bombed more than our 2 losses. we beat up on some sad o's to inflate stats and mobile qbs eat chavis for dinner. i think him and phil fulmer need to get back together and LSU go get another dc
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:09 pm to Stagg8
what i think will happen is that crowton will leave and gonzalas will get promoted to OC and will stay WR coach and we will hopefully hire a competent QB coach. i would rather us get a very good OC/QB coach and leave gonzalas where he is but i think he has been passed over for OC too many times before (like at florida) and we brought him in to be the next OC.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:09 pm to MikeTheTiger2893
is giving up a shite ton of yards to unc acceptable?
also
4. stud should have been fired last year.
also
4. stud should have been fired last year.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:09 pm to Stagg8
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I think the real question becomes... is Billy Gonzales the next OC?
sincerely doubt that, unless we're going to a spread option as our base offense. and even then I doubt it heavily.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:09 pm to Stagg8
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1.). Crowton needs to find a new job. Regardless of whether offensive woes are due to ineptitude or handcuffing of the offensive scheme by Miles, after three mediocre years, a change is necessary.
Probably.
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2.). Miles is the man for the job, but in a managerial role. I think we all agree that Les Miles, the man, the recruiter, and the emotional leader is a hell of a coach, but maybe his role in playcalling should go away... minus input on gimmick plays.
CEO and ceremonial HC. Hire good game managers and let them handle the team.
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3.). Chavis had some tough games, but he is still a top DC. Our D had two underperforming games (Auburn and Arkansas), but those happened to be against two of the most prolific offenses in the country.
I am still happy with the defense overall. Has a lot of room to improve, but it certainly is an upgrade from 2008. LSU had the opportunity to win yesterday, the offense was the problem.
I think the real question becomes... is Billy Gonzales the next OC?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:10 pm to Barney Rubble
i dont like this imo LSU needs to go get a good big name oc. billy might be good but we dont know that
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think the real question becomes... is Billy Gonzales the next OC?
He is LSU;s "Passing Game Coordinator" & WRs coach. Have you seen significant improvement in those areas?
This post was edited on 11/28/10 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:15 pm to heartbreakTiger
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i dont like this imo LSU needs to go get a good big name oc. billy might be good but we dont know that
I understand the sentiment, but if Gonzales comes in and does well, you're looking at a guy who will more than likely stay put for a while. If you go out and get a proven name, and they perform well, then you're talking about a guy who will come up as a head coaching candidate every offseason.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:15 pm to Stagg8
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Is this how most posters feel concerning the 2011 coaching situation?
1.). Crowton needs to find a new job. Regardless of whether offensive woes are due to ineptitude or handcuffing of the offensive scheme by Miles, after three mediocre years, a change is necessary.
2.). Miles is the man for the job, but in a managerial role. I think we all agree that Les Miles, the man, the recruiter, and the emotional leader is a hell of a coach, but maybe his role in playcalling should go away... minus input on gimmick plays.
3.). Chavis had some tough games, but he is still a top DC. Our D had two underperforming games (Auburn and Arkansas), but those happened to be against two of the most prolific offenses in the country.
I think the real question becomes... is Billy Gonzales the next OC?
Am with you until the last line. Think we need to look outdoors for a new OC.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:16 pm to MikeTheTiger2893
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3. Ole Miss.
Wow. Total oversight on my part.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:17 pm to Stagg8
dump Crowton and Stud...fine with the rest.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:17 pm to Dalosaqy
I think we need to go pro-style with a new OC and also back up the Brinks truck to the OL Coach at Wisconsin and get him here. With the OL guys we have coming in and are looking at for the next recruiting class, plus our Running Backs, this would be the best move.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:18 pm to Stagg8
neither situation is a bad one though if he does good then great but seems a little more risky. I dont see anything wrong with LSU being a stepping stone to head coach jobs for top flight assistants. If anything that would make an LSU job that much better. We just need to find an oc style that works go with it and keep hiring guys that can run it.
if we had a head coach that wasn't a ceo this would be alot easier to do
if we had a head coach that wasn't a ceo this would be alot easier to do
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:19 pm to Stagg8
1) Yes
2) No. Miles isn't the man for the job in my eyes, but he's what we got and you can't justify firing him obviously.
3) Chavis is overrateed as hell. His team continually gave up big plays against any offense we faced with a pulse. PERIOD. MSU had a better defense in big games than LSU. That should tell you something. MSU gave up less points and yards to UF, Auburn, Ole Miss, and did better against Arkansas with tons less talent.
Chavis is not going to be a championship DC again. He only did it once when he had one the best DLs in NCAA history including Sean Ellis, John Henderson, Will Overstreet, and Darwin Walker
2) No. Miles isn't the man for the job in my eyes, but he's what we got and you can't justify firing him obviously.
3) Chavis is overrateed as hell. His team continually gave up big plays against any offense we faced with a pulse. PERIOD. MSU had a better defense in big games than LSU. That should tell you something. MSU gave up less points and yards to UF, Auburn, Ole Miss, and did better against Arkansas with tons less talent.
Chavis is not going to be a championship DC again. He only did it once when he had one the best DLs in NCAA history including Sean Ellis, John Henderson, Will Overstreet, and Darwin Walker
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:20 pm to Stagg8
Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel.
I would add that I think there is overwhelming evidence that Crowton himself is the cause of the trouble on offense, and also that Chavis messed up in prepping the defense for Auburn & Ole Miss--but not for Arkansas.
I get angry at the "it's always about the players and execution crowd" a lot, and they are mostly fricking idiotic assholes, but in this case Chavis had a good game plan and Arkansas just had luck on their side and also made a lot of great plays. I do think he was to blame for the last TD in the 1st half, but that's minor in the bigger scheme of things. Arkansas averages about 470 yards per game in SEC games, and LSU's defense did better against them than most--which is not to say that I thought it was a performance up to LSU's normal standards.
As far as Chavis goes, it's the Auburn & Ole Miss games against running QBs that are truly disturbing. That said, he's still a great DC.
I would add that I think there is overwhelming evidence that Crowton himself is the cause of the trouble on offense, and also that Chavis messed up in prepping the defense for Auburn & Ole Miss--but not for Arkansas.
I get angry at the "it's always about the players and execution crowd" a lot, and they are mostly fricking idiotic assholes, but in this case Chavis had a good game plan and Arkansas just had luck on their side and also made a lot of great plays. I do think he was to blame for the last TD in the 1st half, but that's minor in the bigger scheme of things. Arkansas averages about 470 yards per game in SEC games, and LSU's defense did better against them than most--which is not to say that I thought it was a performance up to LSU's normal standards.
As far as Chavis goes, it's the Auburn & Ole Miss games against running QBs that are truly disturbing. That said, he's still a great DC.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:21 pm to LSUMafia
i agree mafia more people need to realize chavis isnt a great dc.
a great dc doesn't have a d punch out for a quarter of the season. 1. auburn 2 arky 3 ole miss 4. unc
also 3 of those are the only teams we played with a pulse.
we did shut down wvu but i just dont think they are that good if they had to play a schedule like arky and auburn their o would be around uf level.
a great dc doesn't have a d punch out for a quarter of the season. 1. auburn 2 arky 3 ole miss 4. unc
also 3 of those are the only teams we played with a pulse.
we did shut down wvu but i just dont think they are that good if they had to play a schedule like arky and auburn their o would be around uf level.
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