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is there a better time than now to lure a big time coach to LSU?
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:16 pm
let's quit arguing about whether or not les should be fired. let's just take this realistically- les isn't gonna coach forever. even if he s successful this family man is well within retirement age.
just for argument's sake. let's say in this scenario the decision is made now but Les is allowed to retire/resign at the end of the regular season.
the arguments for now:
-team underachieving but still stockpiled with talent
-Harris, Fournette and other skill positions all forced to return for junior seasons
- top recruiting class in the cupboard- time for new staff/holdovers to win/retain the crop
- pick of the litter: early on the trigger and the first major school to solicit.
-seems much harder to rebuild something damaged than completely broken.
is it better for miles to resign or get fired AFTER next season for a complete overhaul or move now and start building continuity?
same sport case for pulling the trigger early: Mack Brown running UT into the ground. prestige program.
other sport case for pre-emptive firing- Golden State moving on from Marc Jackson, hiring Kerr and immediately winning the title.
other sport case for not: Monty Williams to Alving Gentry for the Pelicans. right now.
just for argument's sake. let's say in this scenario the decision is made now but Les is allowed to retire/resign at the end of the regular season.
the arguments for now:
-team underachieving but still stockpiled with talent
-Harris, Fournette and other skill positions all forced to return for junior seasons
- top recruiting class in the cupboard- time for new staff/holdovers to win/retain the crop
- pick of the litter: early on the trigger and the first major school to solicit.
-seems much harder to rebuild something damaged than completely broken.
is it better for miles to resign or get fired AFTER next season for a complete overhaul or move now and start building continuity?
same sport case for pulling the trigger early: Mack Brown running UT into the ground. prestige program.
other sport case for pre-emptive firing- Golden State moving on from Marc Jackson, hiring Kerr and immediately winning the title.
other sport case for not: Monty Williams to Alving Gentry for the Pelicans. right now.
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 2:21 pm
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Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:18 pm to LSU Fan 90812
I agree. I think if the right guy comes in, we could absolutely have a shot to win it all because of the talent on this roster and the way it shapes up. If Miles stays, I believe we have a 0% chance of winning it all because I dont think he'll ever get over the Alabama hump again.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:19 pm to LSU Fan 90812
It's a risk either way, but I am in the camp of rather doing it a year early than a year late.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:20 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:Don't confuse talent at the skill positions with overall "team" talent. We are deficient in a lot of spots.
-team underachieving but still stockpiled with talent
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:22 pm to sjmabry
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Don't confuse talent at the skill positions with overall "team" talent. We are deficient in a lot of spots.
compared to whom? other SEC schools? i d disagree. compared to Bama? well, that's a big club.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:25 pm to LSU Fan 90812
he has done well recruiting stars. But he hasn't recruited guys who "fit what he wants to do". he's got alot of start in the WRs boosting his recruiting rankings sitting ont he bench. He's got stars at TE sitting on the bench. He's got stars in dual threat QB's playing from the pocket with limited reads off play action.
His classes have been talented, but lack cohesion and an identity.
His classes have been talented, but lack cohesion and an identity.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:25 pm to LSU Fan 90812
The question is do you wanna compete with USC and Miami looking for a new coach. Mack Brown stopped recruiting hard and relied on internet services to evaluate players you can't say Les is doing that. I say he has one more year to get it together and make some philosophical changes and if he doesn't a new coach comes in and starts fresh. People really seem to forget they have the number 1 or 2 recruiting class coming in. A new coach could easily ruin that.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:27 pm to LSUfan4444
I would say that our line talent has suffered from a lack of development the last three to five that has just now started to affect the recruiting and play. thanks coach stud.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:28 pm to geauxtigers33
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do you wanna compete with USC
I can't think we would have the same targets
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Miami
South Carolina poses more of a threat to our search than the Canes do, but they would kill for Miles if LSU fires him
Texas, Georgia and aTm would pose problems for sure. if you're LSU and decide to move on, you would do so because you know you're targeting and just about have locked up.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:32 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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I would say that our line talent has suffered from a lack of development the last three to five that has just now started to affect the recruiting and play
I certainly think thats a big part. There are aoches who are masters (Frank Beamer) at taking guys who do what he wants to do and coaches them up. Miles isn't one of those guys.
How many times has Urban Meyer changed the offense he ran based off of who was playing QB for him. It's something MIles just doesn't do. He does not tailor his team to the talent he has and what they do well. He recruits high star kids and tried to plug them into what he wants to do. To his success or detriment, it's what he does.
I would argue he would be a better recruiter with worse ranked classes, BUT he had guys who fit what he wants to do better.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:34 pm to geauxtigers33
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Miami
funny you mention them. no way the compete with us for a HC. I think the fear is that we become them post-coker
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I say he has one more year to get it together and make some philosophical changes and if he doesn't a new coach comes in and starts fresh.
and to what end? les is old. what if he puts together a season with a miracle talent and wins it all then retires when the cupboard is dry-er? think that's a more attractive situation? following a title team when all the talent is graduating.
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People really seem to forget they have the number 1 or 2 recruiting class coming in. A new coach could easily ruin that.
no one is forgetting that. but do you really think that we lose THAT many players? the top talent is coming from Louisiana. they're coming here.
and if a Gruden or a Pete Carroll (rumored he s tired of NFL players) or a Chip Kelly (ditto) wants to come here because we re on it early and aggressive comes on- retains the recruiting coordinators, you really think we re starting over and everyone jumps ship?
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:34 pm to LSU Fan 90812
I agree with some of your points, but I dont think we keep a top recruiting class with a major coaching overhaul.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:37 pm to Lsu101205
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I agree with some of your points, but I dont think we keep a top recruiting class with a major coaching overhaul.
no team keeping Leonard Fournette and Brandon Harris with a young line and our corners would ever be considered a major overhaul.
the MAJOR overhaul would be trying to do this next year after this year's crop of sophs leave.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:41 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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the MAJOR overhaul would be trying to do this next year after this year's crop of sophs leave.
I don't know. Depends on how many from the projected 2016 class play early.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:42 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
- top recruiting class in the cupboard- time for new staff/holdovers to win/retain the crop
End of regular season is in November... NSD is in February. A coaching change now would be like drilling a hole in a bucket of water.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:42 pm to Powerman
judging by the mass exodus a few years ago... 
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:44 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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judging by the mass exodus a few years ago...
I'm referring to the class of incoming freshman. If they're as good as advertised, I don't think we'd be leaving much bare. And we'd still have some talent at the offensive skill positions and O-line.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:48 pm to chilge1
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End of regular season is in November... NSD is in February. A coaching change now would be like drilling a hole in a bucket of water.
explain to me why it's definite we lose these players. and remember that in the above hypothetical miles doesn't announce til after the season.
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:51 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Agree, time seems right.
One argument of not doing it now is the effect on recruiting. But, there's another way of looking at the timing. And that's what the next guy coming in would have to work with as far as incoming and already on the field (you mentioned several of those). If you wait until you are in "Mack Brown Defcon", you're likely to be screwed both ways.
And to add to the noise of "what IF" (basically random fricking ideas):
Keep Cam, make a run at Clancy Pendergast again, but as HC.
(I'm a believer in D coaches as HC's)
One argument of not doing it now is the effect on recruiting. But, there's another way of looking at the timing. And that's what the next guy coming in would have to work with as far as incoming and already on the field (you mentioned several of those). If you wait until you are in "Mack Brown Defcon", you're likely to be screwed both ways.
And to add to the noise of "what IF" (basically random fricking ideas):
Keep Cam, make a run at Clancy Pendergast again, but as HC.
(I'm a believer in D coaches as HC's)
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:53 pm to I20goon
Miles should quit and goto South Carolina. He can be 7-4 there every year and lose to Clemson and they wouldn't even really care.
BDP and all the other clowns would have jobs for life as well.
BDP and all the other clowns would have jobs for life as well.
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