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re: Is it Cameron who is holding back Harris?

Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:24 am to
Posted by ezmny2020
peeing in Curdog's pool again
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:24 am to
quote:

Is it Cameron who is holding back Harris?


Harris is holding Harris back
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16036 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:28 am to
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Metts first year and he rode the bench. The next year Mett comes in and kicks arse


he didn';t kick arse in 2012, his first year starting for LSU, even with a year starting at the JUCO level.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:58 am to
It's all pretty simple:

1. Our starter struggled to throw for 100 yards a game over the last half of the season.
2. The Back up showed flashes of brilliance and has huge upside.
3. ?
4. Back up doesn't see the field second the last several games of the season even though our offense was non-existent under the starter.

That question mark has to be something significant because Les Miles has chosen to allow the confidence of the fan base in him to completely erode rather than disclose it.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16036 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:00 am to
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That question mark has to be something significant because Les Miles has chosen to allow the confidence of


The answer to the question mark is that Cam Cameron has say on who runs his offense at QB. Seems Miles was on board with Harris getting PT but Cam wasn't.
Posted by Pauldean
Red Stick by way of Syracuse
Member since Oct 2011
2629 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:04 am to
OP needs a link.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10234 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:06 am to
No he doesn't and I don't think many do. Look I am pissed they can't develope or recruit a decent QB. They gave Harris a chance and in his own words it was a disaster. The kid looked beat after the Auburn game. AJ came in against UF made a few plays LSU won and that was it. Les and Cam are simply missing on QBs or what they are running is harder to pick up I don't know. But it's not because Miles doesn't want either to be better. His job depends on it.
Posted by Sal Minella
Member since Nov 2006
1951 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:11 am to
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Harris is holding Harris back


This is the answer. Just like in 2004 when Jamarcus was holding Jamarcus back.
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
16523 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:11 am to
Look back at my scrimmage reports in August.. I said exactly what happened. Harris not close to being ready then nor is he now. Fact. If he does the work he could be by next fall. Should be interesting
Posted by dandan
Member since Nov 2007
4347 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:23 am to
Miles is full of shite as usual. He lies to the fans and media to cover his arse. He had no intention of playing Harris at the end of the season. Now that Miles senses his job is on the line he is going to talk like he is ready for change.
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:27 am to
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Lying his motha frickin arse off!


you are either 15 years old, or one pathetic 20 year old kid...seriously. You are a HORRIBLE poster.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10234 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:29 am to
Look I hate the offense he has created or the situation at QB, but do you really think de doesn't want to win. I think and this is IMO, Harris just did not develope like they hoped.
Posted by dale10
The Red Stick
Member since May 2006
928 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:29 am to
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quote: Harris is holding Harris back


Thank you. It is absolutely embarrassing how so many LSU fans can't understand this, and make up shite. The kid has potential, but didn't have a clue this year.

There is not a single person on this earth that wants LSU to win every game more than Miles. You can doubt his decisions, but don't doubt his competivness. If Harris gave a better chance to win, Harris would be starting. If Harris gets focused and puts in the work this offseason, there will be no QB battle this spring because Harris will walk away with the starting position.
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:30 am to
quote:

Look back at my scrimmage reports in August.. I said exactly what happened. Harris not close to being ready then nor is he now. Fact. If he does the work he could be by next fall. Should be interesting


The negatigers don't want to hear that. They believe Harris could already be all sec material. The fact is that Harris fooled a lot of people, with the appearance of strong leadership qualities and work ethic. I would imagine Harris has always had it easy, and this is a huge test to his ego. How he handles it will determine the rest of his football career.
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:34 am to
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Les and Cam are simply missing on QBs


they want a dual threat qb to run a pro style offense....and they run off the real pro style qbs....I guess because they don't present the athletic ability of the dual threat guys. You can't have your cake and eat it too.......they had a good offense in 2013 with a non-mobile pro style qb.....they have gotten shitty results from their dual threat experiences starting with Jefferson. One would think eventually the light would come on (I know cam wasn't involved with Jefferson).
Posted by LSUBS88
Member since Sep 2010
896 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:52 am to
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what they are running is harder to pick up I don't know.


It's hard to read the signs from the sidelines with 10 sec on play clock and communicate to the other 10, even the wide outs and deep RBs.

Harris can't and Jenny can?
Posted by dandan
Member since Nov 2007
4347 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:57 am to
I think miles wants to win but wants to win his way. He has clearly show he is stubborn and slow to make changes. Agree Harris may be another terrible option but you have to try something. We saw he wouldn't even try a change at qb on 1/9 and I think this is just another example of his arrogance.
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
3946 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 12:03 pm to
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This doesn't mean the coaches are making a bad decision, no matter how much one wants to persuade himself that we have a star QB on the bench.


If the goal is to compete for championships, I tend to disagree. TCU, Notre Dame, and GT show that you better have a good scheme that can keep you in games. Ideally, you better be balanced or have a very dominant and consistent run scheme yourself. What we do know is when going against a good team with balance or a very dominant run scheme, you won't be able to win with great frequency if you're playing with one-hand tie behind your back.

Additionally, most teams start with skill at the QB position and develop from there. We start with leadership qualities and non-skill based stuff which is why it takes so long because you can't teach arm strength and instincts. You build the guy with the best tools up which is why Winston and Kaya (Miami QB) were able to start as freshman and develop more rapidly. You take the ups and downs of a skilled QB to get what you ultimately want...a polished QB with NFL potential who gives your team the best chance at a championship.
This post was edited on 1/1/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
3946 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 12:15 pm to
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they have gotten shitty results from their dual threat experiences starting with Jefferson.


...but you can't start with Jefferson. You have to start with the first one he recruited that played, Perrilloux.
Posted by shrevetigertom
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2005
4034 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 12:40 pm to
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We saw that, with guys in place who can run it, Cam's offense works. It is also complex. It wasn't just LSU fans saying that. Hell, John Gruden drooled all over him talking about Mett and the offense last season. It doesn't look like either of the guys we have are capable of running 1/4 of what we did in 2013. We have one who showed visible evidence on the field that he didn't know the playbook, and another who may very well know it, but can't execute it. That's a bad spot to be in. If you want a simple explanation, it looks like Cam prefers the guy who knows the book to dumbing down his philosophy for the guy with more potential. I can't say I personally agree with that, but he's a friend of Les Miles. He's probably a little hard-headed and old-school himself. Maybe that stubbornness got him axed at Baltimore.
First poster who gets it.
Posted by HMTVBrian2
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
5760 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 12:43 pm to
Maybe it's Brandon Harris holding back Brandon Harris.
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