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Inflated 40 Yard Dash Times
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:52 am
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:52 am
It's funny to me how every 4 or 5 star position player comes out of high school supposedly running in the 4.3's or 4.4's and then they get to the combine after three to four years of college training and run significantly slower times. Our guys have really impressed in the running portion at the combine this year but there are a lot of guys who have apparently gotten slower since high school.
I know the electronic timing makes a huge difference compared to hand timing but it just goes to show that you can't believe what you hear about a guy's 40 time coming out of high school.
For example, Landon Collins was "lightning fast" coming out of high school, running a 4.3. He just clocked in at an unofficial 4.53. Theres nothing wrong with that time and he is very fast. Just something I see every year that I find interesting.
I know the electronic timing makes a huge difference compared to hand timing but it just goes to show that you can't believe what you hear about a guy's 40 time coming out of high school.
For example, Landon Collins was "lightning fast" coming out of high school, running a 4.3. He just clocked in at an unofficial 4.53. Theres nothing wrong with that time and he is very fast. Just something I see every year that I find interesting.
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:55 am to bayoutiger7
It's also funny when the player then comes back to their pro day and runs that 4.4 time. Pretty clear no one is using legit laser times like the NFL.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:55 am to bayoutiger7
Well, Landon Collins also weighed in at 228lbs 
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:56 am to bayoutiger7
same thing happens with basketball heights
guys listed at 6'7" in college are really 6'4"
guys listed at 6'7" in college are really 6'4"
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:02 am to KG5989
True. 4.53 is moving pretty well for a 230 lb safety
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:03 am to gizmoflak
The whole he's 6'10 in his shoes is garbage. You weren't born with shoes on your feet. Some shoes have different size heels. At the senior bowl and combine guys tend to shrink.
Barkley was always listed at 6'6 in college..he was really 6'4 1/2.
Barkley was always listed at 6'6 in college..he was really 6'4 1/2.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 9:04 am
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:04 am to bayoutiger7
It IS possible that some of these guys get a little slower as they add weight and muscle, though. They make up for it with power, but I would not be surprised that some of the skill guys are a little slower at 21 than at 18 and lighter.
But, yeah, the times in HS are definitely inflated.
But, yeah, the times in HS are definitely inflated.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:14 am to bayoutiger7
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I know the electronic timing makes a huge difference
It's not just a huge difference..it is the difference. Laser timing isn't this guy with a stop watch.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:16 am to bayoutiger7
Well they aren't on the track team, so its not really surprising to me that three years of working out and training to play football would hurt someone who ran a 4.4 as a hs senior.
If you assume the times are actually accurate in hs. Which they prob aren't.
If you assume the times are actually accurate in hs. Which they prob aren't.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 9:17 am
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:48 am to bayoutiger7
usually a guy they say is a 4.3 or 4.4 is lightning fast though...i think it just shows how rare the true 4.3 guys are.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:01 am to bayoutiger7
The technology that times HS players and at the combine a significantly different.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:15 am to bayoutiger7
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:24 am to bayoutiger7
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just goes to show that you can't believe what you hear about a guy's 40 time coming out of high school.
who says everyone does? plus look at the weights when they come into college vs when they leave..
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:41 am to bayoutiger7
FAT Track times are the strictest, as the clock starts on the gun, and typically there is around a 0.24 second difference between hand times and FAT times.
The LSU camp times are 100% hand timed, and therefore the fastest times.
The NFL combine times are laser timed, but start on your first movement, and tend to be around 0.10 seconds slower than hand times. So a kid like Landon Collins who is running around a 4.4 hand timed forty will run something like a 4.52 second combine forty.
I also think kids bulk up in college, and most of them do not get faster, but rather maintain their speed (or slow down slightly) at a heavier bodyweight due to college weight rooms.
And yes, many recruits exaggerate their measureabes!
The LSU camp times are 100% hand timed, and therefore the fastest times.
The NFL combine times are laser timed, but start on your first movement, and tend to be around 0.10 seconds slower than hand times. So a kid like Landon Collins who is running around a 4.4 hand timed forty will run something like a 4.52 second combine forty.
I also think kids bulk up in college, and most of them do not get faster, but rather maintain their speed (or slow down slightly) at a heavier bodyweight due to college weight rooms.
And yes, many recruits exaggerate their measureabes!
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:43 am to bayoutiger7
Just the method of timing is so very different. They start Combine 40 from when that back right arms starts moving.
Obviously a hand time won't be the same, but it isn't like they do combine 40s like the olympics does a race.
Obviously a hand time won't be the same, but it isn't like they do combine 40s like the olympics does a race.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:45 am to TigerAlum93
High school times are down right hilarious we had about 30 guys that were timed at 4.45 and under when I played.
The coaches time early on purpose to inflate their traits for colleges and for their own good to say they developed a guy and shaved points off of a kids time. We used to watch them do it
I made it easy on them by running so slow that it wasn't worth lying about my time
we had about 30 guys that were timed at 4.45 and under when I played. The coaches time early on purpose to inflate their traits for colleges and for their own good to say they developed a guy and shaved points off of a kids time. We used to watch them do it
I made it easy on them by running so slow that it wasn't worth lying about my time
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:07 am to bayoutiger7
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:11 am to TigerAlum93
Apparently, the NFL used FAT for a round of times a couple of years ago but they never released the actual numbers. I'd be curious to see how the compared to the hand starts from that year.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:16 am to bayoutiger7
What's really amazing is Daren McFadden ran a 4.27 in the combine and Chad Jones tackled him from behind. I guess it just shows how much top end speed Chad had. Amazing.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:18 am to bayoutiger7
Smart people realize that those are almost always hand times out of high school.
If a guy runs a 4.35 in high school, put him between 4.45 and 4.50 laser most of the time.
ETA: plus most guys gain 10-20lbs during their college careers. That could make them slower or faster depending on muscle/fat, etc.
If a guy runs a 4.35 in high school, put him between 4.45 and 4.50 laser most of the time.
ETA: plus most guys gain 10-20lbs during their college careers. That could make them slower or faster depending on muscle/fat, etc.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 11:22 am
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