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If NCAA gives Ole Miss a bowl ban next year?
Posted on 12/30/16 at 8:44 am
Posted on 12/30/16 at 8:44 am
Is that really even a penalty? I mean, is it still a ban if you don't win enough games to go anyway? Should the ban carry over until they actually qualify to get into a bowl?
On a serious note, it's a hard time to be a rebel fan. The meltdown over the loss of Cam Akers, the state's best recruit in more than a decade, is monumental. As bad as LSU fans think it got in Baton Rouge, an Ole Miss message board after Akers declared for Florida State had five solid pages of fire Freeze threads.
The future looks more bleak with their weakest recruiting class in the Freeze era going on now. Akers would have been the savior and given some momentum. Now an already poor class has negative momentum going into the home stretch. There are no Nkemdiches, Ntunsils or Ntreadwells on the horizon to save their class.
In fairness to Ole Miss, and because you never know when it can happen to your team, the NCAA investigation protocol has to change. The anxiety of going to the dentist for a root canal is often worse than the procedure. So it is with an NCAA investigation. The cloud of the investigation and the uncertainty of the penalty can do more damage than the penalty itself.
I would hate to be an Ole Miss board member. It could get worse before it gets better. Many fans want to fire a Freeze, but for many of us outsiders, Freeze is the best coach they have had in a long time.
I am no Ole Miss fan. It does appear some violations took place. But the NCAA needs to figure out how to do these things faster. The biggest penalty, as Miami found out, can be the cloud.
As one who favored a hire of a successful head coach other than Orgeron, I have to say there is a much brighter story to tell at LSU right now than most any other SEC west program not named Alabama.
Bowl games other than playoff bowl games are not as important as they used to be. But the game tomorrow for LSU is bigger than usual. The new staff, and us old fans, need a feel good story heading into signing day and into next year. I think a win over Louisville will be a great morale booster fir all. It will sure make the rant more sufferable until next season begins
On a serious note, it's a hard time to be a rebel fan. The meltdown over the loss of Cam Akers, the state's best recruit in more than a decade, is monumental. As bad as LSU fans think it got in Baton Rouge, an Ole Miss message board after Akers declared for Florida State had five solid pages of fire Freeze threads.
The future looks more bleak with their weakest recruiting class in the Freeze era going on now. Akers would have been the savior and given some momentum. Now an already poor class has negative momentum going into the home stretch. There are no Nkemdiches, Ntunsils or Ntreadwells on the horizon to save their class.
In fairness to Ole Miss, and because you never know when it can happen to your team, the NCAA investigation protocol has to change. The anxiety of going to the dentist for a root canal is often worse than the procedure. So it is with an NCAA investigation. The cloud of the investigation and the uncertainty of the penalty can do more damage than the penalty itself.
I would hate to be an Ole Miss board member. It could get worse before it gets better. Many fans want to fire a Freeze, but for many of us outsiders, Freeze is the best coach they have had in a long time.
I am no Ole Miss fan. It does appear some violations took place. But the NCAA needs to figure out how to do these things faster. The biggest penalty, as Miami found out, can be the cloud.
As one who favored a hire of a successful head coach other than Orgeron, I have to say there is a much brighter story to tell at LSU right now than most any other SEC west program not named Alabama.
Bowl games other than playoff bowl games are not as important as they used to be. But the game tomorrow for LSU is bigger than usual. The new staff, and us old fans, need a feel good story heading into signing day and into next year. I think a win over Louisville will be a great morale booster fir all. It will sure make the rant more sufferable until next season begins
This post was edited on 12/30/16 at 8:52 am
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Posted on 12/30/16 at 9:13 am to paper tiger
Good analysis.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 9:15 am to paper tiger
Kind of like the Miami investigation that went on for two years from 2011 to 2013. The NCAA finally ruled no further sanctions on Miami but during the investigation coaches were telling recruits thinking about going to Miami that Miami was going to get the death penalty.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 9:21 am to paper tiger
They need to bring back TV bans. One year of no TV (recruiting) or TV money would be a crushing punishment and a true deterrent.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 9:31 am to ehidal1
Good idea except for the conference TV deals. If OM has a TV ban then when they play LSU, we wouldn't be able to see that game.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 10:33 am to paper tiger
Good post. Something needs to happen with the NCAA stuff. You can't tell me the NCAA stuff didn't have some type of affect on our season. Yes, our defense was abysmal. One of the worst run defenses I've ever seen. You're in a bad way if you can't stop the run in the SEC. Our approach with the NCAA from the start has been to cooperate. Cooperating with them has done nothing but prolong this entire situation and now we're missing on recruits like Cam Akers because of it. I don't fault Akers because he did what was best for him at the end of the day. I hope he tears it up at FSU. But, all of the "fire Freeze" nonsense is ridiculous to me. He is the best coach we have had in a really long time. He took a team in 2012 with not much talent, not enough depth, and not a whole lot of will to win (before Freeze arrived) and led them to a 7-6 season. I'm all in with Freeze and I'm hoping the coaching hires he's made can bring new life into the locker room. If we go 5-7 for the next two years then there may need to be a change. As of now, I just don't think so.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 10:53 am to Freezus22
Well Ole Miss could try to sell this past season as their bowl ban year, but that would be more of a self inflicted than a self imposed penalty.
If Ole Miss fired Freeze, he would have an easier time finding a good job than Ole Miss would have in replacing him. He has a very good offensive mind. LSU has a full cupboard of talent, no NCAA penalties looming and still struggled in its coaching search to get a true upgrade from Miles.
Freeze's coaching talents will be challenged going forward. Ole Miss lacks quality depth and so far it doesn't look like this recruiting class will bring them major contributors. The hope for Ole Miss for me rests on Shea Patterson's shoulders. A great qb can win a few extra games. He looked like a better version of Manziel in his debut, I had no idea he was that mobile.
But if the NCAA does come down with bowl ban, that will extend recruiting woes out another year at least. Like I wrote before, you never know when a rogue assistant coach or booster will get your program in trouble, so I think everyone should want reform in the NCAA to be more efficient and consistent in its investigations.
If Ole Miss fired Freeze, he would have an easier time finding a good job than Ole Miss would have in replacing him. He has a very good offensive mind. LSU has a full cupboard of talent, no NCAA penalties looming and still struggled in its coaching search to get a true upgrade from Miles.
Freeze's coaching talents will be challenged going forward. Ole Miss lacks quality depth and so far it doesn't look like this recruiting class will bring them major contributors. The hope for Ole Miss for me rests on Shea Patterson's shoulders. A great qb can win a few extra games. He looked like a better version of Manziel in his debut, I had no idea he was that mobile.
But if the NCAA does come down with bowl ban, that will extend recruiting woes out another year at least. Like I wrote before, you never know when a rogue assistant coach or booster will get your program in trouble, so I think everyone should want reform in the NCAA to be more efficient and consistent in its investigations.
This post was edited on 12/30/16 at 10:55 am
Posted on 12/30/16 at 11:02 am to paper tiger
I agree with you. I feel like we will depend Shea Patterson like we did with Chad Kelly. If Chad had an off game, you could hang it up because we weren't winning. He kept us in many games and won us a few extra as well. Like you said, Shea will probably have to do the same thing.
This recruiting class is a killer. We were lacking depth, as you said, and this class isn't bringing much. We have talent, but the depth is an issue when we play Bama, LSU, and Arkansas who can pound the football.
I'm hoping the coaching changes bring some kind of life to us next year. We're good enough to win games and have talent all over the field. Coaching needs to be better defensively and the NCAA saga has to come to an end. If it drags out anymore, it's going to continue to hurt us.
This recruiting class is a killer. We were lacking depth, as you said, and this class isn't bringing much. We have talent, but the depth is an issue when we play Bama, LSU, and Arkansas who can pound the football.
I'm hoping the coaching changes bring some kind of life to us next year. We're good enough to win games and have talent all over the field. Coaching needs to be better defensively and the NCAA saga has to come to an end. If it drags out anymore, it's going to continue to hurt us.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 11:05 am to Freezus22
Freezes came into a awesome recruiting class that Houston nutt set up for when freeze took over, but have been in a decline since then. Same thing I fear will happen to LSU. But I will hoot and holler no matter who the coach is for LSU. Ole miss should get a bowl Ban an lose scholly like USC/PennState got. The NCAA will never do a death case like the 1980's SMU. I would go for 10 scholly a year and a three year bowl ban for each year that class/high profile player were there.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 11:09 am to paper tiger
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As one who favored a hire of a successful head coach other than Orgeron, I have to say there is a much brighter story to tell at LSU right now than most any other SEC west program not named Alabama.
I think this is a good post and I agree with everything you said except for this. Auburn still has a coach who has won an SEC Title and played for a National Championship, and they just experienced there first upswing in years with a Sugar Bowl season. Right now the SEC West is still Alabama and everyone else - but Auburn securely holds that second place slot with the firing of Miles. LSU isn't far behind though, and maybe Orgeron can be a breath of fresh air for the Tigers (not convinced just yet).
Posted on 12/30/16 at 11:11 am to Amish threesome
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Freezes came into a awesome recruiting class that Houston nutt set up for when freeze took over, but have been in a decline since then.
Come on, Freeze brought in way better recruiting classes than Nutt ever did at Ole Miss. To give Nutt credit is crazy.
Freeze is a good coach and Ole Miss should feel lucky to have him, but until he can recruit the type of players to have a power offense/defense when he needs it, Ole Miss won't be winning championships. That's why missing on a guy like Akers hurts so much for them.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 11:31 am to paper tiger
Poor Ole Miss. Everything was going great. Hugh Freeze took over a 2-10 team and won the Sugar Bowl four seasons later. They magically and inexplicably started bringing in some of the best recruits in the country. Then Laremy Tunsil happened.
Well, at least ya'll still have Shea Patterson. They can never take him away from you. Unless they do what they did with Penn State and allow players to transfer freely. Good luck with all this.
Well, at least ya'll still have Shea Patterson. They can never take him away from you. Unless they do what they did with Penn State and allow players to transfer freely. Good luck with all this.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:52 pm to lilmoonlsu
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Kind of like the Miami investigation that went on for two years from 2011 to 2013.
Not the same type of situation. The NCAA had to back off of Miami because the investigators used unethical tactics to garner information on Miami. Those investigators tried to work with prosecutors to use evidence from the Nevin Shapiro ponzi scheme case against the Hurricanes. Because of that, the NCAA had to go lighter on Miami then they wanted to.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:14 pm to ehidal1
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They need to bring back TV bans. One year of no TV (recruiting) or TV money would be a crushing punishment and a true deterrent.
I agree with this, but it is ultimately punishing the opposing team for their lack of institutional control. How could they do this? Blackout the area? But then they'll still get coverage is some areas. I know I'd be pissed if the LSU/Ole Miss game wouldn't be televised! JMO
ETA- I think losing the TV revenue could be the solution?
This post was edited on 12/30/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:24 pm to ehidal1
With the SEC network money a TV would ban punish the entire conference.
This post was edited on 12/30/16 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/30/16 at 3:46 pm to tlsu15
Dude, auburn lost 4 games this year, and without Mike's, Lsu likely wins that game. Lsu would be a 5-6 point favorite over auburn on a neutral field. You are pumping sunshine for a 4 loss auburn team saying they are on an upswing.
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