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re: If Jefferson does redshirt and comes back
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:45 pm to heatom2
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:45 pm to heatom2
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It almost has nothing to do with the Shady's incident.
You do realize that if you don't explain what you are referencing a lot of us will just assume you're racist, right?
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Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:45 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:The vast majority of behaviour on this board seems driven by this one, obsessive need. Most of the most prolific posters here seem eager to go to any lengths to avoid some other fans from some other program somewhere else thinking they're "homers", and thus not "cool kids." I have never witnessed a more sad and pathetic desperation for external approval and acceptance, not even in junior high.
I'd say that there was a bit of a knee jerk reaction to not appear to be a homer
Very sad.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:46 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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It stopped me from speculating from day one.
bullshite.
You have speculated as to "racial comments" that I can remember off the top of my head being a trigger, as well as him "defending" himself from someone else's rumor about Lowery throwing a punch inside the bar (never happened per video).
Stop with your "above the fray" routine. You speculate, as does everyone else who comments in these threads.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:47 pm to Holden Caulfield
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Let me be as clear as possible. Even if the Shady incident had never occurred I still wouldn't want JJ on the field in 2011. I find his play on the field and his posturing on the sidelines to be a determent to the team.
I have no problem with him being reinstated this year and wearing an LSU uniform and said so five pages back but I still don't want him to start.
This has become such a soapbox issue with some here that to state a position regarding JJ's abilities is tantamount to wanting to see JJ begging on the streets for the remainder of his days. Total BS
At no point have I ever suggested that there could not be an honest opinion that led one to feel that another QB under center would be beneficial to LSU's chances of success. Frankly, after Saturday night, I'd prefer Mett under center to either JJ or JL...but I don't get to decide. As for the rest of those stawmen, I'll pass.
Be that as it may, the fact that there are some that feel this way does in no way change the fact that when the legal issue arose about a month ago now, those "fans" which were the most animated about the situation were those who disliked JJ as a player and they used this opportunity to toss him aside. His guilt or innocence was far less important to the fact that we wasn't a good QB. If he had been, you'd have likely seen these same dishonest folks blindly supporting him in full Auburn Cam Newton defense mode before we knew any facts...but the most important thing would have been to try and keep a good player on the field.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:48 pm to Holden Caulfield
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This has become such a soapbox issue with some here
Exactly. Expressing an opinion on JJ's lack of QB proficiency is the same as denying him his due process in court for some.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:56 pm to junkfunky
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You do realize that if you don't explain what you are referencing a lot of us will just assume you're racist, right?
I don't really care what any of you assume.
I don't think he has the talent to be the QB of a top tier SEC school, I'm tired of the controversy, I don't want there to be ANY QB controversy next year. I'm tired of him staring down receivers, throwing the ball where no one is, and not throwing TDs.
I'm also sick of the pouting and the me me me attitude he has shown.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:56 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Be that as it may, the fact that there are some that feel this way does in no way change the fact that when the legal issue arose about a month ago now, those "fans" which were the most animated about the situation were those who disliked JJ as a player and they used this opportunity to toss him aside
I understand the position you're taking, and it may well be superior to my own on any number of levels, but I guess I don't have the same issue with fans being fans as you might. If they feel the Shady's incident was a Godsend then they have every right to say how they feel IMO without being accused of selling out a kid they could not possibly sell out in any real tangible way.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:57 pm to CptBengal
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You have speculated as to "racial comments" that I can remember off the top of my head being a trigger, as well as him "defending" himself from someone else's rumor about Lowery throwing a punch inside the bar (never happened per video).
The most awesome thing about this site is that you can link to old posts...
The only time I've ever brought up race in this discussion was to suggest that it most certainly has been an issue in every QB controversy we've had at LSU since 2004. The racial slurs leveled at black QB's that have made bad plays over that time span speak to that point. As does the ridiculous suggestion that Flynn was a better QB at LSU because his team won the BCSNCG and Russell's did not. Sure, stupidity could be the cause there as well, but I think it's probably both.
To be clear, the only real thing I'd say I have speculated about was the fricked up timeline as portrayed by the police report. All participants scattering by the time the Po Po showed up, only to have the only two people who ID'ed JJ and JJ be standing around 40 minutes after closing time just as the office swing by a second time over and hour after the fight? Nah...
But there is no question that from Day One I was on here taking people to task about posting rumors. It did no good...
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:00 pm to Holden Caulfield
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I understand the position you're taking, and it may well be superior to my own on any number of levels, but I guess I don't have the same issue with fans being fans as you might. If they feel the Shady's incident was a Godsend then they have every right to say how they feel IMO without being accused of selling out a kid they could not possibly sell out in reality.
I actually agree with this...and I'm glad you acknowledge the point. From my point of view, the fact that I found/find Jefferson to be EXCRUCIATINGLY inconsistent and mediocre under center in no way would have allowed me to run to this or any other forum and proclaim my giddiness because his legal troubles meant I would have a better chance of being entertained when I watch LSU football. That, to me at least, flexes some truly fricked up priorities.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:00 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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As does the ridiculous suggestion that Flynn was a better QB at LSU because his team won the BCSNCG and Russell's did not.
exactly. Flynn was better because he knew how to read a defense.
hence why he still has a Pro career.
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that from Day One I was on here taking people to task about posting rumors. It did no good...
I did too, but the rumors I squashed were the ones about "conspiracies"
For which I have been called a racist, Alabama fan, etc.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:02 pm to heatom2
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I don't really care what any of you assume.
Okay, but I was fricking with you.
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I don't think he has the talent to be the QB of a top tier SEC school, I'm tired of the controversy, I don't want there to be ANY QB controversy next year. I'm tired of him staring down receivers, throwing the ball where no one is, and not throwing TDs.
I'm not a HC at a BCS school, so I'll have to take your word for it.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:05 pm to CptBengal
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exactly. Flynn was better because he knew how to read a defense.
There's literally no talking to you at this point. I'm just not getting into the whole worse stats, worse losses, worse SEC west, worse records throughout college football, and the help needed both on and off his own team that enabled the #7 team to jump to #2 in the last week.
There is not one good argument that can be made to suggest Flynn should have started over Russell. Not one.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:05 pm to junkfunky
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Okay, but I was fricking with you.
I didn't mean to come off rude.
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I'm not a HC at a BCS school, so I'll have to take your word for it.
just my honest, amateur opinion.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:07 pm to CptBengal
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Flynn was better because he knew how to read a defense.
I don't think he read defenses all that well at LSU, and probably not any better than JR did in college. he still has a pro career because he kept working to make himself better once he got to the NFL, whereas Russell stopped giving a shite.
/hijack
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:07 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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here is not one good argument that can be made to suggest Flynn should have started over Russell. Not one.
well, he was able to read defenses better. That is a fact borne out by his audibles at the line, blitz protection calls, and choice on throws.
Sorry, it's a fact. I know a pro scout who saw JM playing in TS. Said to me after the second series he has no idea how to read a defense, but damn he's a special athlete.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:10 pm to CptBengal
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well, he was able to read defenses better. That is a fact borne out by his audibles at the line, blitz protection calls, and choice on throws.
I realize it won't matter to you and you'll likely dismiss it, but you do know Jimbo Fisher said the exact opposite about Russell's ability to read defenses, right?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:10 pm to CptBengal
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I know a pro scout who saw JM playing in TS. Said to me after the second series he has no idea how to read a defense, but damn he's a special athlete.
What did he say about JL?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:12 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Hearsay happens because people spread rumors
I guess you'd better advise Chicken to shut the board down then.
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I just can't imagine why someone would go through the trouble of creating that post of your I responded to.
I didn't comment on anything that wasn't already presented in this very thread. Go back to the first 3-4 pages.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:14 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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From my point of view, the fact that I found/find Jefferson to be EXCRUCIATINGLY inconsistent and mediocre under center in no way would have allowed me to run to this or any other forum and proclaim my giddiness because his legal troubles
I probably don't come to this site often enough to have seen the giddiness you're describing but I'll take your word it happened. However if I, as a fan, say I'm satisfied if JJ never starts at LSU again it shouldn't be assumed I'm commenting on his legal issues or his future. There are a couple of posters here who will attack your honor if your POV on JJ's status doesn't coincide with their own.
I'm not giddy over the kid's legal problems but I'm glad he's not on the field.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:16 pm to CptBengal
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That is a fact borne out by his audibles at the line, blitz protection calls, and choice on throws.
was this fact pointed out by your scout friend? and how'd he account for the discrepancy in Russell and Flynn's completion percentage and INTs thrown? just curious since I'm not privy to the things I quoted above, all I got to go off are stats for the most part.
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