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re: If it breaks, it must be a slider.....
Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:53 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:53 pm to PurpleAndGold86
I feel like I'm being trolled right now. 
Eta: I could've got on board with 5 if you actually would've named them. Although a splitter or forkball is considered an off speed pitch but I can get on board with a sinker. But fricking locations man????
Eta: I could've got on board with 5 if you actually would've named them. Although a splitter or forkball is considered an off speed pitch but I can get on board with a sinker. But fricking locations man????
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 10:56 pm
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Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:54 pm to Tigerdew
Yeah I guess there are really about 24 fastballs then. That's awesome.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 11:18 pm to enufodis
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Why is every pitch that breaks called a slider by the ESPN analyst?
You know what.. When you have a ball breaking down to down and away at 88-90 mph...it's a fricking slider because that's what the pitcher calls it.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 11:22 pm to enufodis
Brad Lidge didn't get the memo.. His slider broke down.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 12:03 am to Spankum
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exactly...and 99% of the fans watching don't know the difference...
Ill give you my interpretation right or not. I am not an expert although I did play baseball from birth through my senior year of HS and did coach LSU baseball camp for 2 years. For me a curve ball follows the curve of the pitchers arm and continues to "curve" in that direction whether that be a overhand curve (12 to 6) or a (2-7) type curve or opposite from a lefty. The difference to me for a slider has been the ball shifting back in the other direction. I noticed several times tonight Nola Throwing a ball that looked like an outside fastball and at the last second moving back towards the batter opposite the throwing motion for a strike. To me that's a slider.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 12:05 am to RichardCranium
Direction of the arm doesn't really matter. Release matters because that is what puts spin on a pitch which is what produces the break. With that being said a slider can, without a doubt, break down.
This post was edited on 6/8/13 at 12:07 am
Posted on 6/8/13 at 12:20 am to PurpleAndGold86
Cutter breaks lateral. Sliders break down hard and away from righty to righty.
This post was edited on 6/8/13 at 12:21 am
Posted on 6/8/13 at 12:40 am to RichardCranium
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Ill give you my interpretation right or not. I am not an expert although I did play baseball from birth through my senior year of HS and did coach LSU baseball camp for 2 years. For me a curve ball follows the curve of the pitchers arm and continues to "curve" in that direction whether that be a overhand curve (12 to 6) or a (2-7) type curve or opposite from a lefty. The difference to me for a slider has been the ball shifting back in the other direction. I noticed several times tonight Nola Throwing a ball that looked like an outside fastball and at the last second moving back towards the batter opposite the throwing motion for a strike. To me that's a slider.
Maybe I just misunderstood you but are you trying to say that a slider from a right handed pitcher breaks INTO a right handed batter? Because if you are I'm about to laugh at you.....
Posted on 6/8/13 at 12:52 am to RichardCranium
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did coach LSU baseball camp for 2 years.
I noticed several times tonight Nola Throwing a ball that looked like an outside fastball and at the last second moving back towards the batter opposite the throwing motion for a strike. To me that's a slider.
You worked it during the Smoke era didn't you? That's the only thing that could explain your lack of baseball 101.
Here we go:
4 seam - hard and straight and easier to control.
2 seam - hard with movement and harder to control.
Curve - offspeed pitch. Could be 12-6, 1-7, etc.
Slider - dives down and away to a righty or down and in to a lefty. Minimal speed change. The harder the better.
Cutter - minimal speed change and moves almost on a 100% lateral plane.
Splitter - offspeed pitch that dives in the last 2ft to the plate.
Sinker - hard like a fastball but it tumbles from the time it leaves the pitchers hand.
This post was edited on 6/8/13 at 1:01 am
Posted on 6/8/13 at 1:01 am to simbo
"I think fly by night travelling announcers call anything that is not a 12 to 6 curve a slider."
You are rarely going to get a 12 to 6 anything, it's going to tail one way or the other most of the time
You are rarely going to get a 12 to 6 anything, it's going to tail one way or the other most of the time
Posted on 6/8/13 at 1:07 am to enufodis
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Sliders DO NOT break across two planes or more than one foot.
What?!
Is there a definition written somewhere? If you can throw it good like the two on the bump tonight, it break a lot more than a foot
Posted on 6/8/13 at 1:07 am to Hurricane Mike
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"I think fly by night travelling announcers call anything that is not a 12 to 6 curve a slider."
You are rarely going to get a 12 to 6 anything, it's going to tail one way or the other most of the time
Tim Lincecum comes to mind.
Eta: I feel like the OP and friends learned some stuff tonight.
This post was edited on 6/8/13 at 1:09 am
Posted on 6/8/13 at 3:20 am to Tigerdew
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Eta: I feel like the OP and friends learned some stuff tonight.
God I fricking hope so. Some seriously ignorant folks in this thread
Posted on 6/8/13 at 3:30 am to enufodis
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Yeah right. I did not hear one curve ball called tonight. Sliders do not fall off the table at the batters waist to be dug out of the dirt by the catcher.
I hear you, but it seems relative. If a pitcher throws a curve they call it a curve. The best pitchers dont hit their pitch 100% of the time.
Think ab it, a guy wants to throw a fast ball strike but the damn ball goes high or hits the dirt. The slider might go rt down the middle. The curve might go rt down the middle and gets jacked for a hr.
Thats why baseball cant be decided on 1 game.
This post was edited on 6/8/13 at 3:38 am
Posted on 6/8/13 at 3:32 am to PurpleAndGold86
quote:exactly.
Kyle Pederson is the most knowledgeable college baseball announcer in the business. Sliders can most certainly have downward break on them. Sliders can even break straight down. I'm going to put my money on Kyle Pederson and not the tards in here that think sliders can't break downward.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 3:38 am to RichardCranium
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The difference to me for a slider has been the ball shifting back in the other direction. I noticed several times tonight Nola Throwing a ball that looked like an outside fastball and at the last second moving back towards the batter opposite the throwing motion for a strike. To me that's a slider.
You are saying the pitch from a righty breaks back in toward a righty? And that is your slider?
That has never been referred to as a slider by anyone with any knowledge at all of baseball
That is what a 2-seam fastball does. A Slider from a righty breaks down and away from a right handed batter. If it doesn't break down it is often called a cutter.
Pitchers often use their slider and two seamer off of each other because they have almost opposite breaks with good velocity
Eta, not completely opposite. Down and in vs down and away
This post was edited on 6/8/13 at 3:39 am
Posted on 6/8/13 at 3:43 am to enufodis
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up and in, down and out middle in, middle out down and in, up and out
Posted on 6/8/13 at 4:21 am to CottonWasKing
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Ill give you my interpretation right or not. I am not an expert although I did play baseball from birth through my senior year of HS and did coach LSU baseball camp for 2 years. For me a curve ball follows the curve of the pitchers arm and continues to "curve" in that direction whether that be a overhand curve (12 to 6) or a (2-7) type curve or opposite from a lefty.
This is a good way to describe a curve.
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Maybe I just misunderstood you but are you trying to say that a slider from a right handed pitcher breaks INTO a right handed batter? Because if you are I'm about to laugh at you.....
I think he knows what he's trying to say, he's just typing it out wrong. His point about how to describe the curve is well-done. People think of a curve as being 12-6, but it really depends on the pitcher's arm action. For someone who is over-the-top, this would be case. However, for someone who is 3/4s the curve is going to have more horizontal action in it. The curve gets its action from top spin and coming over the top of the ball.
The slider gets its action, however, from coming off the side of the ball. spinning it in a clockwise for a right-handed thrower. Depending on a pitcher's delivery, this can give you the sweeping/dipping action of someone like Randy Johnson or a late, straight down snap.
Another thing that I think of as being different between sliders and curves is the timing and amount of the break. Most curves break more but break earlier. You know it's a curve, but it breaks more than the slider. The slider doesn't break as much as the curve, but it breaks later.
That's how I think of them.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 5:19 am to FootballNostradamus
If only Kyle peterson knew as much about pitching as rantards.
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